Saturday, 29 December 2007

Robin Hood. Series 2, Episode 12 "A Good Day To Die", and Episode 13 "We Are Robin Hood".


Episode 12: "A Good Day To Die"

The outlaws are in a (rather familiar) barn in Nettlestone Village, Much having planned a surprise birthday party for Robin Hood. But the real surprise comes when over 100 mercenary soldiers surround the barn, word having been leaked of Robin's presence. Their attack on the barn is stopped by Djaq's use of some "black powder" she had kept concealed from Robin (remember last series?), but it is only enough to delay their seemingly inevitable fate. The mercenaries have orders not to burn the barn down, because the Sheriff wants Robin Hood's head on a stick, so they content themselves to starve the outlaws out.

Meanwhile, in Nottingham Castle, Guy of Gisborne tells Marian he has to go away for a while and seeks her reassurance that she won't masquerade as the Night Watchman in his absence. Later, Allan A Dale tells Marian that Guy's trip also involves himself, but that all he knows is they are bound for Portsmouth. However, as Portsmouth is the port most likely to be used by the King, it doesn't take her long to figure out that an assassination attempt must be involved. Allan refuses to help her, and when she goes in search of Robin, she of course finds his hideout empty.

Returning to Nottingham Castle, Marian takes desperate measures, punching Allan to the ground and stealing his sword, intent upon killing the Sheriff of Nottingham. (Apparently this is okay now? The Sheriff having been given total immunity by the outlaws before this?) Anyway, as she is creeping up behind him, the Sheriff catches her reflection in a glass and steps aside.

Marian is now chained before the Sheriff, when Guy and Allan come to the room. Allan confesses that she did indeed manage to steal his sword, and that "she's good, but I'm better". This comment costs Marian dearly, for it reveals to the Sheriff that Allan and Guy knew of her combat skills. Guy now goes one better and admits Marian was the Night Watchman! The Sheriff's reaction is predictable, and after he calms down he decides Marian should accompany them to the Holy Lands; his master plan now incorporating a deadly twist. On route to the Holy Lands, the Sheriff also reveals to Marian that Guy is the assassin who once tried to kill the King. (This is only a brief scene, but probably quite important if we are to believe Marian's changing attitude towards Guy in this episode; an attitude which has caused some concern amongst Hoodies for its lack of consistency. There is a similar very brief moment on the journey when Guy asks Allan if Marian still loves Robin Hood.)

Back at the barn, Robin Hood's Merry Men are not feeling too merry. Arguments are breaking out due to all the stress. So Djaq suggests a game of "Kaleela". (A kind of Truth or Dare game, the spelling and true name of which escapes me). Djaq goes first, speaking of her affection for all those present, but suddenly confessing that it is Will Scarlet she truly and actually loves! Not only that, but Will reciprocates in kind, now professing undying love for Djaq! And it doesn't stop there. Pretty soon Little John is screaming like a banshee, having a complete breakdown, wanting his "good day to die" to come a few hours earlier than scheduled! (Sorry guys, I found this complete sequence involving Djaq, Will, and John, unconvincing and faintly ridiculous).

As their final dawn approaches, Much and Robin Hood will each undergo a turn at Djaq's truth game. Much takes the opportunity to say how he feels undervalued, and "taken for granted". His speech is a particularly good one (Sam Troughton once again on brilliant form), about once being "brothers in arms" with Robin, suffering the horrors of war together. When Robin Hood speaks, he confesses he hasn't been able to face those horrors for fear of losing his ability with the bow, and that trying to avoid killing now is his way to try and atone for what happened in the war. If the intent here is to clarify the relationships between the main characters at the end of the series, then the bizarre sequence which follows gives us even more of the same: Guy is having what might be construed as an erotic dream, being massaged from behind by both Allan and Marian in alternation. However, when he awakes he finds the hands on his shoulders are those of the Sheriff, saying "I hope you're not too disappointed", before informing him Allan (his "boy"), has run away. The Sheriff says to let Allan go. (Apparently three's company!)

Allan A Dale has of course gone to help Robin Hood, blagging his way past the mercenaries, and entering the barn under the pretence of taking the outlaws back to Nottingham. Allan tells Robin Hood of the Sheriff's plan to kill the King in Holy Lands, but once the mercenaries realise what he is up to the outlaws are forced to fight their way through 100+ mercenaries and escape. (It seems 5 outlaws couldn't take on 100+ mercenaries, but 6 can!?) Allan then tells Robin Hood that Marian is with the Sheriff and Guy on route to Plymouth, so all go in pursuit as Robin cries out "I'm coming my love"...

(Pictures for Episode 12 appear here).

Episode 13: "We Are Robin Hood".

As both episodes ran together in the UK I am guessing that the start of Episode 13 is when Robin Hood reaches the Holy Lands, Marian having now been chained in prison by the Sheriff of Nottingham. The Sheriff's plan is simpler than the editing would have one believe. Basically he is having someone imitate Prince Saladin's envoy, have him go to King Richard to arrange a peace conference, and then kill Richard when he turns up. In an attempt to foil this plan, and not knowing Robin Hood has survived the ambush, Marian offers Guy her hand in marriage if he will kill the Sheriff.

The outlaws reach Bassam's House (he being the chap with the pigeons). With Djaq's support Robin Hood is able to convince Bassam that he only wants to take King Richard home, and help bring about peace. However, one of the servant girls hears Robin and informs those working with the Sheriff of Nottingham of his whereabouts. The Sheriff is delighted, and embellishes to his plan: Now his fake envoy from Saladin will not only lure Richard into a trap, he will also tell the King that Robin is an assassin working for the Black Knights! And so it is that, when Robin Hood goes to the King's camp, to be greeted by the Crusader Carter as a friend, he also finds himself arrested by the King as a traitor. However, rather than execute Robin, King Richard "lets the desert decide" their fate and has them all tied to stakes under the hot sun.

As they are suffering under that sun the Sheriff decides to add to their number. Guy of Gisborne has told the Sheriff that Marian asked him to kill him, but that he has decided to remain loyal. All he asks in return from the Sheriff is that he be allowed to take Marian "by force" as his bride upon their return to Nottingham. But the Sheriff decides otherwise, and they bind Marian to the same stakes as Robin Hood. Once the Sheriff rides away, Robin and Marian begin to trade wedding vows with one another, but their ceremony is interrupted by the arrival of Carter, who sets everyone free.

The action now quickly moves on to the meeting between the Sheriff's fake Saladin envoy, and King Richard. But it is Robin Hood pretending to be the King, and a fight ensues between both sides before the Sheriff and his group retreat to a nearby town and wait in ambush for the pursuing outlaws. The Sheriff now enhances his reputation by plunging a sword deep into Carter, and even shoots an arrow into King Richard's back! But the climax is yet to come…

As King Richard lies wounded, Guy of Gisborne advances to finish him off. Only Marian is close enough to stand in his way. She cannot step aside and watch England be killed, but what false promises can she offer Guy now that haven't been broken a million times before? In one fatal act of defiance she proclaims her love of Robin Hood, and that she would never marry Guy if he were the last man in the world. Guy's response is swift, and his sword plunges deep into Marian's stomach before he rides away behind the man he has devoted his murderous services to.

Laying in the dust, Marian's first reaction is to laugh: "Am I beyond even Djaq's amazing talents?" But she soon realises Djaq cannot withdraw the blade without killing her, and that the situation is deadly serious. Smiling as best she can, Marian has Robin continue with the wedding vows they began earlier in the desert, but this time with King Richard's ring for blessing. Then, slowly, painfully, she herself extracts the blade….

End piece: Not everyone gets to go home. King Richard (true to history) stays in the Holy Lands. Djaq and Will embark on a new life together, as Robin Hood looks on with envy at their happiness, reminding him as it does of the girl he has lost forever.

The BBC tell us Robin Hood will return next year for a third series.

Comment: I may no doubt be in a very small minority here, but I thought that was a very disappointing finale to the series. Where to start?

The "truth game" outbursts from Djaq (who hasn't really said a word all series) and Will were totally unconvincing, and even the actors knew it. The writing here felt like a "quick fix" to allow two main players out of the series. Little John's contribution in this scene was equally out of character, and devoid of the conviction Gordon Kennedy has delivered elsewhere. Poor script. But if I thought those scenes were unconvincing, they were as nothing when compared to the sight of King Richard spouting "We are Robin Hood". Give me a break.

Recently there has been a lot of comment about the Guy / Marian relationship. Although I have been critical of the Guy character (not Armitage himself), I had thought that had resolved itself for the better in Episode 11. Seemingly not. Once again Lucy Griffiths proved herself the star of this particular series during those final scenes, but I for one felt oddly removed from events I no longer found convincing. Sorry. End of series 1? Tears all 'round. End of Series 2? Not a one.

(Pictures for episode 13 appear here).

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Blogger robin hood said...

Robin Hood Series 2, Episode 12, "A Good Day to Die".

Robin Hood Series 2, Episode 13, "We Are Robin Hood".

29 December 2007 at 21:47:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Robin Hood.

Robin Hood BBC series 2.

Robin Hood - Jonas Armstrong.
Marian - Lucy Griffiths.
Guy of Gisborne - Richard Armitage.
Sheriff of Nottingham - Keith Allen.
Little John - Gordon Kennedy.
Much - Sam Troughton.
Allan A Dale - Joe Armstrong.
Will Scarlet - Harry Lloyd.
Djaq - Anjali Jay.
Edward - Michael Elwynn.

29 December 2007 at 21:50:00 GMT  
Anonymous lizardqueen22 said...

What was that!!!??? I tuned in expecting another amazing instalment of Robin Hood and ending up getting a complete shambles of an episode that is not even close to the original. I am still fuming after that horrible disappointment and obvious lack of respect for the traditions of England- everything has to be shocking and updated these days it seems. No Marian no Will no Djaq. What the **** has happened to Robin Hood?

No doubt that there will be people in this forum who will reply to my inarticulate rantings with intelligent witticisms and in-depth analysis of the programme, but there are two things that I know:

1. They spent the entire second series building up a feasible relationship between Guy and Marian only to revert back to the old Neanderthal plot of series one and have him kill so that they can have a twist in their bloody finale.

2. There can be no Robin Hood without Marian and Will Scarlet. There just can’t; it defies all tradition and if they say “this is a modern adaptation” one more time I will probably scream because Robin Hood is a legend. It is a TRADITIONAL tale passed down through the ages, and if you deny that then it will no longer be Robin Hood just some cocked-up copy drafted in by the BBC. No Djaq either!! It’s a bloody all-man show!

After this finale, I doubt I will be watching series three. Where can the plot go now? They have bled the story dry, forsaking the traditions and the integrity of the characters. It’s not just Marian that died with that finale.

29 December 2007 at 22:22:00 GMT  
Anonymous Joni said...

Ok, seriously? I'm losing all faith in the BBC. I mean...we hoodies put up with a lot. Gambling. Feather hats. Workers going on strike. Whatever. But...you just took out half of your protagonists. That is absurd.

So...here's my bet. They're going to pull a one-two on us. First episode next season, Marian will have magically come back after being healed by someone in the Holy Land. Will and Djaq will eventually return as well just in the nick of time to save Robin et. all from some horrible problem. They'll all have a party, get rid of the baddies, and the show will end. Right? I thought Lucy had signed for a series three already.

Honestly, though, this is a ridiculous move to make plot-wise. It would have been more dynamic to kill off Guy or the Sheriff in order to see what one bad guy would do without the other. Having another season with Guy as Snape debating about morals or Robin being angsty ala. series one is boring and a waste of time. There has *got* to be some kind of joke in this.

29 December 2007 at 22:37:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi lizardqueen,

Well, obviously any future series will lack integrity after this one. The obvious parallel to be made is when Michael Praed left Robin of Sherwood. Everything stumbled on with Jason Connery doing an okay job, and some very good scripts, but everyone knew it was over.

I haven't been that involved with this series since episode 8 when Marian was finally in the forest after her father's death. It should have (could have) ended there for me.

We will never know for sure, but I wonder if that's when the BBC found out that Lucy, Harry and Anjali wanted out. Certainly the scripts and plot lines regarding key characters since then have been all over the place. Maybe that explains why djaq (totally) and Will (almost) have been neglected this series.

Joe Armstrong should have jumped ship to. He's been great, and surely has a great future.

29 December 2007 at 22:41:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi joni

The only answer that fits is that Lucy wanted out. No-one in their right mind would drop her amazing talent and Will's heart throb popularity with the teen audience.

But I still object to the poor and cynical writing here. It's the stuff the British soaps serve up for christmas.

Much better to end it on a high note. The series is surely now no longer a financial proposition when it comes to exports.

29 December 2007 at 22:45:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too hated this finale, (a) i have read in many articles lucy griffiths has signed up to series 3 (b) again there can be no robin hood with out marian and without her the legend will neva end happily (c) there's only 4 bloody members of the gang now how riduculous!! the only way they can redeem this show is if by magic she is healed and comes bacck. The only part i enjoyed in this show was wen guy showed his true colours AND marian told him the truth about robin. Didn;t anyone else think her death was alittle inappropriate for a 6 o'clock childrens show!!!

29 December 2007 at 22:56:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Maybe "inappropriate" for that new time of 6 o'clock, bearing in mind children are watching. Parental judgement I guess.

I suspect the reason Robin Hood stopped shooting people about half way through this series had more to do with the BBC than all that stuff he came out with in episode 13.

29 December 2007 at 23:01:00 GMT  
Anonymous Coralina said...

Well...after laughing madly,after cursing one more eroticized death of a strong woman,I came to one conclusion: the writers' of this show some have some kind of unresolved S&M fetish concerning Marian and Guy' characters :D! How many times do we see a character being "murdered" TWICE by the same killer ,lol ?!Not even The Bride, in Kill Bill,and,hell,just because she was shot once,she killed all the Deadly Viper squad,plus the Crazy 88 :D!

I can't wait for the next year!

29 December 2007 at 23:05:00 GMT  
Anonymous Lau said...

OH - MY - GOD

I waited 2 weeks for THAT!.

I was sooooo looking forward to it, (you remember i got so excited about the Djaq and Will preview on the net and you told me to take a glass of water) but that was a disgrace!. Will's little speach was appaulingly bad, and Djaq was no better, going on about being birds and stuff! And my god the phrase "my love" was used so many times. When Will said it to Djaq when they were tied up i cringed. It was awful. Terrible script and terrible acting there.

But my word! Marian died!! Wow didn't expect that (the only thing the show had was a suprise ending). I mean killing off Marian, i was gobsmacked!! Then they go and say there will be a series 3. You know what, i dont know if its worth watching after that. I love Robin Hood, my friends hear enough about it, and yet i am trully disappointed!

29 December 2007 at 23:08:00 GMT  
Blogger Joni said...

I agree, Hood. It's such a ridiculous cop out kind of ending. Even if they *did* want out of the series, they could have come up with something better than this. Send Marian to Kirklees. Send Will to be with his father. Both are more logical and not so far fetched and (in Marian's case) more true to the legend. But re-hashing what happened at the end of last season is unnecessary and over-dramatized and completely absurd.

I'm going to reserve complete judgment on the series as a whole until I see previews for next year, I think - but as of now, I don't really see how they can write their way out of this whole. They've killed off (literally) all of their plot lines. Which side is Allan on? Solved. Will Robin and Marian ever marry? Solved. Will the King ever find out what's going on in Nottingham? Solved. What else is there? Yes, they've got to get the king back on his throne when he comes back, but as of now...won't they just be doing ground control in Nottingham? And being angsty? How boring. Stupid stupid stupid. Bloody idiots, all of them.

29 December 2007 at 23:08:00 GMT  
Anonymous sarahuk said...

I think Lucy will be back. Keith Allen gave an interview on Radio 1 saying that he's bought an apartment where they film the series and Lucy has agreed to rent it next year whilst she's working - she'll be back!!

29 December 2007 at 23:11:00 GMT  
Anonymous Lau said...

How can she be back, shes six feet under! Dont get me wrong im not calling you a liar, im just laughing at the mess Robin Hood has come too.

29 December 2007 at 23:13:00 GMT  
Anonymous Lau said...

Oh and by the way, that kiss of Djaq's and Will's. Awful! Will literally didn't move, he was like a dummy.

Robin Hood (owner of this blog) i'd like to thankyou for all the hard work youv'e put into this site, its is truly fantastic. Thankyou so much. x

29 December 2007 at 23:18:00 GMT  
Blogger Joni said...

Dream sequence perhaps? *smirk* Or maybe Marian pulls a Robin, takes a fever, gets healed with special King Richard powers and gets sent home.

Oh show. I had such faith in you. You made me believe that gambling in medieval England could be funny. But ...oh good grief. *headdesk*. Seriously. Seriously?!

Two conclusions: The writers are on crack, or the writers are drunk AND on crack when writing episodes.

Should be interesting to see how they work themselves out of this one. All the adverts did seem a bit insistent on the *death*, didn't they? Almost too insistent.

29 December 2007 at 23:21:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so very angry with the BBC and thoes complete idiot script writers that wrote that pile of dung!

How can you have a series three after killing off Marien. Idiots!

Without Marian there is no show. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it BBC. Now what are you going to do aye? Make up some even more rubbish so that Marian turns out not to be dead?

DISAPPOINTED AND ANGRY. YOU HAVE RUINED A GREAT PROGRAM.

If Marian is not in the next series then I won't watch it.

I went to bed tonight and had to get up to post this as I am fuming at how cheesey and corny the ending was. Don't have my glasses on so am strugling a bit.

Djaq and Will together "living with flight" in the Holy Land, The story game with John making himself look stupid and out of character, the king believing some unknown that Robin was going to kill him and the icing on the cake, Marian dies. YOU IDIOTS.

Lets hope that Lucy is back on the screen again soon in a production that has credability with decent directors and script writers.

29 December 2007 at 23:34:00 GMT  
Anonymous Coralina said...

Lau,remember the hero always seems to be doomed until he gets a way of saving herself/himself :D!Remember the scene where The Bride breaks a coffin and then, goes to the next bar and asks for a glass of water,lol!

I think the major problem is catering to all audiences.RH has potential to be much more mature,featured for an adult audience,but,of course,audiences demand a familiar show and that demands some efforts .

We may think Marian's situation is absurd,but,for a teen,it isn't.Teens are used to play games where characters die and resurrect due to magical stuff, herbs,etc. Tarantino is a major reference, as well as Manga and Anime.

If we watch Ultraviolet ( it's not that awful)or Resident Evil we'll see many elements resembling Marian's so called "death"

29 December 2007 at 23:35:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem with bringing back Marian is a big one. If it was all a dream or the events did not take place then the show has no credability. If she is dead and was killed with a sword and was clearly dead and then beried in the ground how can she get brought back to life?

What an absolute shambles......

29 December 2007 at 23:43:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Everybody,

If Marian comes back to life it will be even more ridiculous than this mess was.

But I can see it now: A masked figure in the darks streets of Nottingham; surley it is the Night Watchman!? Robin anxiously goes to investigate. It is the Night Watchman!!! End of Episode 1.

Episode 2, the mask is removed. A new cast member is revealed....

Some of us will remember Robin of Sherwood, when the second Robin came along in a hood, and everyone first thought Michael Praed had come back. But no, it was a blonde Robin.

29 December 2007 at 23:47:00 GMT  
Blogger Joni said...

*laughing*. Really, I'm struggling to see how anything could be more ridiculous than this mess. But the BBC has proven me wrong before so...

Whatever. There will always be another Hood. Maybe they'll do it right another time.

29 December 2007 at 23:56:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But the thing i can;t work out if that u never saw them bury her, robin didn;t look that upset and djaq said something to robin in arabic that wasn't translated!! i may be goin off on a complete tanjent but we need some hope that they will reverse this disasterous ending. The can;t cahnge the legend and expect people to like it. If not bring her bac i recon a redeption will be robin dying at the very end and then them being together.

30 December 2007 at 00:00:00 GMT  
Anonymous lizardqueen22 said...

Joni,

lol King Richard's special powers- now that would be a plotline worth watching!!

ok I was angry before so I guess I lied when I said I wouldn't watch it next series- and you never know. The BBC are going to have to come up with something AMAZING to compensate for the loss of Marian AND Will AND Djaq, and it could be rather interesting..

It was definitely a weak finale- but we shouldn't forget the moments of strength from the series. It's all up to the creators now: either they pull it out of the bag or the show is going to fall spectacularly from grace. Then I think I'll deal out judgement.

(Although if they revert Guy back to some lusting Neanderthal or weepy emo then I am out for good)

30 December 2007 at 01:08:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What an awful disjointed script .Leaving Marian as treacherous as the Sheriff.Robin looked unconcerned at her death.It is n`t a legend . Why on earth would they leave her to sleep in a stable? Get Lucy back , make her a cousin, rebuilding Knighton, marry her to Gisbourne , she could go through a gradual wakening of his cruelty ,start making a relationship with Robin who will kill Gisbourne -everyone happy now.Will cannot come back he is the new Doctor Who.
In reality I think tiger aspect have seriously screwed up. How many people will watch series three?

30 December 2007 at 01:10:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-Too right . Richard Armitage was reported to have said they had shot two different endings .Can they not just say they made a mistake and lost it and they have now found it - a bit like the government .6 is too early who do they think watches the programme -kids .Can someone email Chris Moyles and get him on to this dilemma

30 December 2007 at 01:18:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I can say is that it ruined my enitre weekend. What the hell BBC? There is anough tragedy on the news I don't want a bloody family tv show to give me more grief. I waited TWO weeks for this episode and this is what the BBC does. I did it with prison break and I will do it with this show, if Marian does not come back (I dont care how they do it) I will most definitely not be watching the next series. When the BBC notices how the ratings are going down then perhaps they will notice that people still want happy endings and they should care about the audience once in a while instead of ruining two years worth of television.

30 December 2007 at 01:33:00 GMT  
Blogger Arya Bodhisattva said...

Hi, I'm a fan from Portugal (they only aired the first season here but I continued downloading it from the web). And it became my fave series in a long long time (through thick and thin, viruses, dangerous file-sharing connections and what not). But it hardly seems worth it now.... How disappointed was I to read the finale spoilers (haven't seen the actual episodes yet).
No matter how silly the "resurrection" of Marian may be... I STILL WANT HER BACK!

To the owner of this blog, kudos on such an amazing job. Great insight into Robin Hood and its various movie/tv adaptations. I check it out most regularly.

30 December 2007 at 02:23:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with you, utterly disappointed. And I think the writers have holed themselves up in a corner with this one...I know alot of stuff hasn't been conventional or even rational throughout this show but rising from the dead would just take the cake. If Marian does in fact survive (although she seemed pretty dead to me) it would make for some interesting potential Guy-hauntings for sure but still. Last episodes = total copout.

30 December 2007 at 03:56:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give me strength . That was unbelievably awful.Why would Guy tell the sheriff that Marian was the nightwatchman?She could have continued on the same vein in relation to Guy?Ms Griffiths obviously has a better offer.Alan`s comment about the sword,quantum leaps -they could have had sword fights who knows.Why would they leave her in a stable and Guy sleeping above ??the king accepts the word of a stranger without the password . It takes them how long to get to the holy land ?plenty of time on that journey for marian to manipulate Guy bearing in mind he has saved her life on several occasions-so she turns out rotten to the core.Will and jack dreadful -the script became situation led not character led . Guy is becoming a goon -armitage should pull out

30 December 2007 at 09:15:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it is the curse of the Minghella . Think boys and girls,remember Dr Martin initially starts with good characterisation ,but this approach cannot be sustained and developed.
.The characters then become nonsensical and flat.
Evidence compare last nights hogwash with the writing of Doyle and Bev

30 December 2007 at 09:24:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It all sounds like the ending to Roswell. The Fox network told the producers 12 episodes into a 24 episode run that the program was pulled and they had two episodes to wrap it all up.

Its a complete joke. BBC you suck!

Ok this is what really winds me up:

1. The Sherif shoots an arrow and it hits the king in his shoulder. Not a deadly hit yet the king who has been fighting in the Holy Lands for years seems to fall to the ground unconcious. RUBBISH!
2. Marian runs into the square and sees the king fallen and Guy on his way over to kill him. She wants to stall him or convince him that he should not kill the king. So, she taunts Guy telling him that she loves Robin and is going to marry him. RUBBISH!
3. Guy kills Marian and then rather than complete his mission he runs away on the back of a horse ridden by the Sherif. RUBBISH!
4. Marian is dead. YOU SH*T HEADS!
5. At the grave site the King is standing there with his arm in a sling, what a joke. RUBBISH!

Now this may hurt BBC but you can't have Robin Hood without Maid Marian, Little John, Will Scarlet and Fryer Tuck. Man what a joke.

I hope that Lucy Griffiths does not allow them to make a complete mockery of her in some sort of ghost come back. You know, Robin is in a tight spot and the ghost of marian appears and tells him what to do.

BBC if you have an ounce of desency you will bring her back. Admit that you aired the wrong ending and undo this mess.

30 December 2007 at 10:57:00 GMT  
Anonymous Gabby said...

for five minuits after the show i couldn't think, i was so stunned. How can they do another series without mairian? I'ts crazy!

At the end of series 1, there was talk anijali jay, who plats djaq, had been fired, maybe that wasn't quite true but they decided trhey had to take her out before series 3, though there is still a possibility we haven't seen the end of her and Will.

I can't belive they got rid of both the female stars. They might bring Djaq in again, but i don't see how marian can make a return without causing a lot of confusion.

I think robin hood without Mairan is a pointless way to go, i will watch the next series, but i doubt it'll be up to much if they don't fix things quick.

The only upside to the two episodes is that Allan returned to the gang(or whats left of the gang anyway), even though how quickley he was forgiven was a bit unrealistic.

I'm really disapointed with the ending.

30 December 2007 at 12:04:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

i so totally agree with evryones comments above! how could they do thsi to us!
i must admit i enjoyed the episode very much apart from the whole marain dies thing!but after that the thing that annoyed me the most was that ok yea robin was KIND OF sad when she died but at the end you would have just thought he was having a bad day! hello your wife and love of your life has just died show some bloody emotions!
i will be tuning into series 3 of robin hood no matter how crap it mite be i've always loved robin hood films, shows, etc so ill always watch them. It will be interesting to see how they turn the story about.
Seriously if they had of left the whole programme on that episode dont tell me that you wouldn't be annoyed if they weren't going to have a 3rd series just to see how everything was goign to work out! believe me if they weren't going to have a 3rd series i would be really hacked off!
plus you never know will and djaq might return, storyline: "we just got bored of the holy land...we missed england too mcuh so we're back! ta da!
but could someone please explain to me how some people got the information that harry llyod is the next dr. who? david tennant hasn't said that he's leaving!
the problem is not that there's only 4 members of the gang! what the heck are they going to do with 4 members!
i don't really care how they brought marian back, reincarnated, resurrected etc as long as she's back! but i doubt it very much.
if i was in a room with bbc1 robin hood writers jonas armstrong and lucy griffiths god i would have so many questions for them! lol
im just not patient enough to wait until next autumn to see what he final series is going to be like.
next year as soon as anyone sees adverts for the next series tell all!
does anyone know if they'll be doing a box set for this series? maybe we might get some interviews from teh writers and lucy, harrya nd anjali about the whole storyline.
just wanted to say a big thank you to robin hood for setting up this brilliant website if i didn't have this blog or website i would be clueless. if we didnt have thsi fantastic blog i wouldn't be able to find out brilliant facts and express my opinions with teh rest of you hoodies!
i would like it if people answered my questions or commented on my comment just to get some feedback or just to see if anyone agrees with me :)
long LIVE robin and marian forever!

30 December 2007 at 12:05:00 GMT  
Anonymous Gabby said...

Eeh, sorry about all those typos!

30 December 2007 at 12:06:00 GMT  
Anonymous Gabby said...

did anyone notice, the king was wearing a sling on the opposite arm to where he got hit, i notice these thing.

30 December 2007 at 12:08:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

was he? he got hit on the back of his right arm did he not?

30 December 2007 at 12:11:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we should all write in the the bbc and complain cause they've got to listen to the fans if they want this show to work. I think any of us could have come up wiv better storylines than the ones they've come up wiv!!

30 December 2007 at 12:41:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Harry Lloyd as Dr Who

This whole thing is still little more than a rumour. It stems from an article in "Movie & Entertainment News" provided by World Entertainment Network. Here it is:

"The next actor to play DOCTOR WHO on the hit British sci-fi show has been found - TV star HARRY LLOYD.
The show's boss Russell T Davies was impressed with Lloyd when the actor appeared on a recent episode as a student at a posh school.
And when current Doctor Who David Tennant leaves the series, which is rumoured to be in two year's time (09), Davis is convinced he has found a ready made replacement.
He says, "After his audition I sent a note to the casting director saying, 'He's not just good for Baines (his character), that's the next Doctor.
Seriously. He's so brilliant." Lloyd currently plays Will Scarlett in the British TV series Robin Hood."


Check it out yourself at :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lloyd#_note-6

We had far more substantial rumoiurs than that about a Friar Tuck, and it didn't happen. Sounds to me like someone floating the idea about to see who bites (either at the BBC or in Harry's management).

30 December 2007 at 12:57:00 GMT  
Anonymous Grace said...

I wonder whether djaq and will are going to come back as another one of the kings messengers, that's the only possible reason I can think for them coming back to England apart from Noodles'idea!
Did anyone else notice how Robin married Marian with the king's ring? That King really must love Robin!

30 December 2007 at 13:01:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Hoodies

What can I add? I've read all your comments. This site alone got 1,000 hits yesterday, and is already set to do the same today. (And that doesn't include all the hits on the series 1 site). So I know your comments have been read by the American audience who haven't watched it yet, plus Australia and parts of mainland Europe.

The general consensus is that the BBC screwed up. Not just in the cynical death of a main character, but the unconvincing absurdities in the writing itself.

I have little interest in a 3rd series beyond simple curiousity.

But can I point out one aspect of episode 13 which I thought was really good? Sam Troughton as Much. He was my favourite character at the very beginning of series 1, and here at the end he was excellent again when he spoke his own "truths" to Robin. I found Robin Hood's response trite and confusing; the writers were obviously too scared to outright condemn the war. But Troughton's lines said it all about the horrors which live on in the mind of a returning soldier, just as his tears did a year ago.

30 December 2007 at 13:10:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay chaps and chaped lets fix this sxxt together .Since we have all found this site can the owner organise some sort of petition please.

1, We want Marian back , she can be a sister out of the convenant to fix up knighton as she is the sole hheir. Obviously played by lucy
2.Gisbourne chases her ,could marr
y her ,forced of course .She finds
letters Robin tells her that Guy killed her sister.She kills him marries Robin and we get a happy ending.a petition to tiger aspect/

30 December 2007 at 13:13:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harry Lloyd -Dr who . The rumour was reinforced by Catherine Tate who stated that Tennant was leaving June.When was asked on radio if he was in fact leaving .Tennant responded by stating that he was not considering his position yet .
And that means ????????

30 December 2007 at 13:25:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there any truth that writers
McDermott and Martin are being drafted in ??
A friend said long winded starts but really good.

30 December 2007 at 13:32:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

here's an idea maybe marian comes back spiritually not physically.
she may come back in hallucinations or in robins dreams
urging him to carry on to keep going etc

30 December 2007 at 15:01:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just watched last nights concoction. At Marian`s death scene -"Am I Bovered " certainly applied to Robin.

I take it Mr Hood as our official representative could contact >B.B.C drama ,informing there have been over 1,000 negative hits in 24hrs.

That is an awful lot of bad tempered viewers with the potential to reduce voting numbers and in turn potential spin off income from merchandise etc

30 December 2007 at 15:50:00 GMT  
Anonymous angie said...

1. I am so pissed!!
2. They killed Marian... wtf??
3. There cannot be a robin hood without a marian. Even the original tales don't have her dead.
4. Even if she is signed on for next season, is she going to be a 'ghost/spirit' in all the episodes...? I don''t think so!!!
5. SHE HAS TO COME BACK!!!


:( :( :( :(

30 December 2007 at 17:12:00 GMT  
Anonymous angie said...

ok guys... here's what my friend had to say.... what do you all think?

"i dont think marian is dead we never saw her getting buried, and robin wasnt all that sad now that i think about it. and why would will and djaq stay in the holy land? to look after marian. robin tells will "take care of her" you would think hes talking about djaq but he could be talking about marian."

30 December 2007 at 19:26:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Angie you have a good point!!! Maybe they were burying Carter as he was most definitely dead!!! Although I don't remember the final scene completely (i was hindered by teary eyes) there may have been some obvious clues that it was marian being buried. The only one I can think of is Robin walking with Marian in his arms

30 December 2007 at 20:20:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

ok i dont think that was carter they were burying as robin kissed the body!
omg angie you have a brilliant point but that would just kinda confuse me when robin took marians body to the grave! plus king richard said to robin to go home and grieve!
damn it there i go and spoil it that would have been a fantastic comeback though!

30 December 2007 at 22:37:00 GMT  
Blogger Emily said...

Yesterday Hoodies, was the death of our show. It seems to me that the title "A Good Day to Die" for the last episode, that the writers were to in fact thinking that it was a good day for BBC Robin Hood to die.
In that sense, the only logical way to view this is that indeed, they were trying to kill the show. Why? Who knows. I suggested to a friend that perhaps someone spiked the writer's water cooler with a narcotic during a planning session.
As I am Canadian, I usually do not see the new Robin Hood episodes until Sunday afternoon - and I am very good at battling temptation to peek ahead and spoil the surprise. This time though, it was inevitable for me not to know what was coming. I stopped by this site, and I don't think I've seen that many comments within the first several hours of it show up before.
But that did not make it any less horrible to watch. I had the most uncomfortable feeling that I was caught in some horrible fanfiction that wouldn't end - and just when you didn't think it would get worse - it did.
As you know, we have been frustrated for weeks with the writers - and this just seemed to be the pinnacle. After last episode, I had a dreaded feeling that it was about to get worse. But I tried to be positive, put my faith back in the BBC.
There were certain small aspects of the show that I did like very much, but I'll leave that for the end to try and give us all a pick me up.
First of all, the first part of Episdode 12, wasn't particularly all that bad. Okay, so they're stuck in a barn. Sheriff is planning to kill the King, leaving for Portsmouth.
I'm not entirely sure Marian would have just grabbed a sword and run after the Sheriff quite like that - but her characterization has been kind of strange the last few weeks anyways. Up until Djaq's odd Kaleela game - otherwise known as Truth or Dare to any girl on the face of the planet - which was, honestly, where the show took a dive for the worst. That killed it. Strange characterizations we have dealt with before.
I've always had a soft spot for Djaq and Will, but this was just so put on and pathetic. Until now we have not had any sort of build up of romantic tension, and all of a sudden Djaq blurts it out. It's almost as though she used her Kaleela game to divulge said information to Will. And Will? He seemed so...off. How can I even describe the disaster of characterization for him? Anjali and Will looked most uncomfortable in these scenes - honestly, I felt sorry for them. They were nowhere near as good as they usually are because they really had to force that scene out of them. And John - gah! He would not melt down like that. Again, he had to force it out of him.
Actually it seemed that in a lot of those scenes, - our very talented actors, were trying very hard to do well in scenes that it was quite obvious were not well thought out.
I think perhaps they all know their own characters very very well as actors, and how could they not know they're being shafted?
As predicted, they managed to find Merlin's predessor and do some Harry Potter magic to apparate themselves to the Holy Land.
Marian's death scene did not evoke the same tears as last season when she...well almost died. I was just rather stunned - thinking honestly, "I can't believe they just did that."
Marian and Robin have all nearly died many times - why would now of all times they start reciting marriage vows? Honestly. If they had been that concerned, they would have married after nearly losing their lives another time. how do they know they won't figure out a way out of this one like in the past?
All of the Robin and Marian scenes were extremely forced (as though the actors knew they were killing their own show), and we are now left wtih no strong females in Nottingham. Eh. We like Djaq and Marian. I always hoped they'd bring in more girls...now, as nice as the lads are...
To answer some questions, yes, Robin was carrying her body down to the grave where they had just buried Carter (that honestly bothered me too, because I liked him, and they always kill off the guest stars - and apparently the female lead as well).
He kneels down, next to a grave that has been dug out, that one can only assume it is for her.
Its difficult to say how you can rationalize your way out of that one - unless this is all a very bad hallucinogenic dream sequence that Robin is having, where in reality he is still in the barn in Nettlestone water and food deprived. Not likely.
There were a few spots that I liked. Much's speech. The outlaws being trapped in the barn wasn't bad. Djaq's black powder, and Robin's backhanded approval (I laughed genuinely). I did like seeing Djaq have a bit of a bigger role, but I found they failed to really explore her life in the Holy Land. They honestly did a poor job of that, though I liked Bessam (but not her decision to stay there).
I also liked the part with the King, though Richard honestly turned out to be a bit dim. I found it difficult to understand why Robin admired the King so, when Robin seemed the smarter, better man.
Also, I did like the part where Carter rescued them, and they went off and found the King and how Robin pretended to be him.
I must say though that this is the first time I have ever seen this fanbase united in agreement. Usually we are found nitpicking about who should fall in love with who, whether Guy is a romantic possibility for Marian or whether he's just a twisted old assassin - whether or not Djaq and Will are an item - well, even those who like Will and Djaq found their declaration deplorable and most cringe worthy.
It was a death in one blow - it is almost as though they got together and said - how do we kill this in the quickest way possible? They managed to crush all storylines, and all hope of a good, profitable future. It was, in fact, mass suicide. It was not a good day to die.

30 December 2007 at 22:42:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Thanks Emily,

What can I say? All your points I've agreed with. It was a shambles, and a bad way to go out.

What would be very interesting to know would be the "behind the scenes" action. Just when certain people decided it was time to call it a day....

30 December 2007 at 23:08:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

exactly! does anyone know if they'll ahve a box set for thsi series? maybe you may find your answers in interviews there!
but is no one else hacked off about that fact that robin didnt look that sad at the end of the episode he barely shed a tear!
im still goign to watch series 3 no matter what happnens!
once a follower of robin hood always a follower of robin hood!
oh by the way i reda somewhere that there is going to be a robin hood movie in 2008!so chin up everyone!

30 December 2007 at 23:19:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

im so sorry for all my really bad spelling mistakes

30 December 2007 at 23:20:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi noodles,

I think the movie you refer to is the one with Russell Crowe as the Sheriff. He's the main character and hero. I think it's going to be called "Nottingham", but it's early days yet.

30 December 2007 at 23:54:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in America and I first saw this show on BBC America. I fell in love with it and even bought it on DVD. So I have to watch by YouTube. And many thanks to the people that posted season 2. Anyways, very upset and sad to see how they killed Marian. I don't understand.

I can see a possible resurection...she got to Guy, and it was all a set up. To make it look like she dies. He is supposed to stab her, but in the side of her stomach to avoid major organs. Blah di blah, she passes out (not dies) and they go to bury her, but she wakes and Djaq and Will stay to help her recover.

Hopefully this could play out in season 3. It could begin with Will coming back with Marian, and Djaq staying in the Holy Country because they got married and she's going to have a baby so she couldn't come...Wishful thinking on my part.

Hopefully they will find a way to bring back Marian...because there can't be a Robin without a Marian.

31 December 2007 at 02:18:00 GMT  
Anonymous angie said...

anonymous...(the one above me)... good thinking!! that could actually have been a set-up.
Because think about it guys, not a single tear from Robin's eye.. it's just so unrealistic!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone confirm that lucy griffiths is indeed filming a third??

31 December 2007 at 07:27:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok i am guessing it was marian that they were burying...if he kissed the body. By the way, that's a good resurrection plan! Marian has to come back, it's not a proper robin hood without her!!

31 December 2007 at 10:52:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In an interview it said that Lucy has signed up for the 3rd run of robin hood fun! i think the ghost idea mite be abit crap though she has to come back whole lol. the only thing i liked about this episode was her telling guy she loved robin finally!!

31 December 2007 at 11:30:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Sunday 30th December, 1,812 people visited this site, whilst 1,397 visited my Series 1 site.

Not one person left a positive comment about the finale episode.

31 December 2007 at 12:23:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

point to comment above!
actually i really liked the episode! and to be honest if marian comes back in whatever form (whcih she is cause lucy griffiths is out filing in budapest) it really was a smashing ending and if it was all a dream it really got all the robin hood fans together! it just showed how much we treasure robin hood and marian so once i see taht marian is alive and weel in series 3 ill look back on that last episode and say to myself i thought it was sneaky of the writers to "kill" her like that but it actually made a good storyline.
i dont know if any of you get what im on about, yea its caused loads of friction but when you see her alive you all be so thankful and then you'll be like those writers were really crafty but at the same time really good!
i liked the last episode (despite marian dying

31 December 2007 at 14:31:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Thanks noodles

It's good to have a mix of comments and opinions here.

To respond to your last point: I'm afraid if I see her walking around live, I'm going to find it totally ridiculous.

If she's alive then Gisborne must have been in on the trick. And he stands to gain absolutely nothing from it.

Gisborne would not have missed with that weapon at that range.

If Marian appears as some kind of spirit guide for a couple of episodes, it really will lower the tone of what has been achieved.

Any thought of bringing her back smacks of 1980's "Dallas" where, at one time or another, every member of the cast "died". The ratings dropped, never to recover.

31 December 2007 at 16:38:00 GMT  
Anonymous cam2181 said...

I am a huge fan of the show and after watching that travesty i was completely shocked. I had no clue that that was going to happen. You can't kill off the main love interest and then continue the show. It doesn't work that way. I don't care what hocus pocus they make up, Marian needs to come back!!

31 December 2007 at 16:54:00 GMT  
Anonymous Annie said...

Like Emily, I live in North America, which means I see the RH episodes after those of you in the UK. Because I was out of town on business when this episode aired, I only saw it last evening. I confess I don't have Emily's self-control and thus read Robin's synopsis of the two episodes before I had a chance to watch them. I knew what I was in for, which probably made me a less-than-objective viewer. Would I have liked the last two episodes better if I hadn't read Robin's review and known about the ending? Perhaps, but I doubt it.

I'll try to avoid rehashing what many of you have already said very well, but I'm definitely not going to be the exception and defend this ending, whether of the season or the series. When I was a child, Robin Hood was my favorite character of myth or legend. I devoured every retelling I could find and took a great deal of comfort in its themes of fair play, social justice, love, and fellowship. I agree with our Robin that the legend is served better by serializations than feature films. I've been a bit of a Robin Hood glutton for the past year, with the first season of the BBC Robin Hood and Robin of Sherwood made available on DVD for the first time in the United States (I didn't see the latter series when it first aired).

The chaotic mess that was the season finale was devastating for all the reasons articulated in these pages. That said, I have been trying to make sense of why I was so invested in this series, and why the bad writing and plotting of the last few episodes have resulted in my being sadder and more disappointed than might seem warranted given that Robin Hood is, after all, just a TV series. With a little sheepishness at the serious and confessional tone of some of what follows, here's what I've come up with:

Like Clement of the Glen, I am saddened at the lost opportunity. The ensemble cast is first rate and capable of doing justice to anything good writers throw at them. If they'd had a head writer with the vision and talent of Richard Carpenter, think what we might have seen? A Robin Hood that, while of this era, will also stand the test of time. (This is not to say we didn't see lots of glimmers of this during the past two seasons. I think season 1 took a bit of time to find its footing, but had a great ending that suggested season 2 would be even better. Often it was, which makes the last episodes even more disappointing.)

In addition to the reasons I listed above, I love the legend of Robin Hood for its message of hope. In many retellings Marian dies, after which Robin disbands the gang except for Little John, who will not leave him. Marian's death is sad but comes at the end of many years with Robin. Robin's own death has a timeliness to it that sustains the positive message of the legend. Everyone does die, after all, but others will take their place. Also, Robin doesn't die alone but with Little John at his side and his bow in his hand. And he's buried in Sherwood! These are dark times for many but not darker than those in which the legend of Robin arose. As with Robin of Sherwood, the writers could have shown the applicability of events in Robin's times for our own (Richard's corruption, for example) while sustaining the sense that a few committed souls working together can make a difference. Marian's entreaty to Robin to keep fighting just didn't cut it--that's not hope, that's hokum. (Compare her speech to Robin of Sherwood's genuinely hopeful speech to Judi Trott's Marian in the final episode of season 2.)

The time of the solstice is one of reflection, for joy tinged with melancholy, promise mingled with a little dread, as the short days seem to take forever to lengthen. (I live in the northeast where we have only a few hours of light each day.) Perhaps this is another reason that I feel especially sad about the ending.

Like Emily, I'd like to end by mentioning aspects of the episodes that I liked or which moved me in spite of myself. I did think the episode leading up to the scenes in the Holy Land was mostly okay. I didn't even mind the Truth or Dare device. I think Sam Troughton is a fantastic actor, and like many of you, I thought his speech was moving. I agree with everyone who loathed Little John's breakdown, but I found Robin's need to suppress his horror of the Crusades persuasive. Allan's return to the gang was a relief to me, and I think the "Glad you're back" line (from Will?) was intended to echo Allan's "Glad you're back" to Robin in "A Clue: No." I like the suggestion that both fell prey to ego and self-interest. Allan's sins look more serious on the face of it, but if you think in terms of who has the greater responsibility to serve and act due to his privileged upbringing and status, Robin's leaving the gang in season 1 is arguably more damning. I cried during the two "wedding" scenes between Robin and Marian, so I was obviously moved, even if the context couldn't have been more unsatisfying. I think the actors sold it, and I'm a sucker for romance.

Improbable as it seems, I think there will be a season 3 and Lucy Griffiths will be in it. Other than that, I won't speculate on how the writers will engineer these miracles. If there is, I probably will watch against my better judgment. I have a high tolerance for the absurd and a strong affection for the actors.

Finally, I loved reading everyone's comments--here's unity and fellowship! I also love this site and the others Robin has put together. Now that the series is over, I intend to spend some of my free time exploring those parts that I haven't yet visited. I need to read Robin's analysis of Lucy Griffith's Marian a few more times in order to absorb it. I hope he will turn his terrific analytical skills to the other characters.

31 December 2007 at 17:13:00 GMT  
Blogger Joni said...

Annie,

Well said. I agree with you. Obviously, most people aren't here for the logical plot lines. We respect that the writers want to come up with funny/unconventional things (casino, anyone?) that give the show a bit of a quirky feel. When it comes down to it, we forgive shoddy plot lines. What we are here for are the characters. We're here because we care about what happens to them at the end of the day when the casinos stop and the Indiana Jones hats are put back on the shelf. Killing Marian in such a callous, ridiculous way is absurd and unnecessary, and it will quite literally be the death of the show. Much as I care for Robin and admire the remaining cast (assuming that none of the dead come back), I don't care enough to watch any more because the show will have no heart. Marian was the heart of the show. Literally and figuratively, she was the center point. Robin didn't have nearly as much development as she did. Nearly all of the plots revolved around her in some way. She gave the fighting purpose. It's like Robin said during that (completely absurd) game in the barn - he fights because he hopes through some twist of fate that they will be able to get together in the end. That's why any of us fight for things, right? Fighting for some big cause (saving England)is all fine and good, but if you can't take it down to one single person, it feels so impersonal and you stop caring.

Anyway. Someone ought to send these comments/stats on hits and things to the BBC. If they haven't already been barraged by fans who are upset (because they are *everywhere*) then we ought to add this to their pile of mail, because it is completely unacceptable and irresponsible.

31 December 2007 at 18:03:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey hoodies,
i really enjoyed this finale despite all the negative comments whih have appeared here i thought it was well good and have been watching it again and again. I loved the fact that Will and Djaq have finally got together i've been waiting for that moment for ages.I'm really so pissed of that Will and Djaq are staying in the Holy land THEY CAN'T. what will i do without Harry lloyd in the show. i love him!He's really fit but also a great actor. Anjali Jay is also a really good actress despite not doing much on this series and they're both my favourite characters. I reckon they'll come back to nottingham in the next series though. i hope so. I also can't believe Marians dead though coz she's a really great actress what will we do without her.This i find really ridiculous. You can't have a robin hood with no Marian for gods sake.Is there definitely a third series does anyone know? there should be coz the Sheriff and Gisbourne aren't dead yet.

On a positive note i thought it was good to see that all the characters got a fair part to play in this

So thats it ... no robin hood for another year how will i survive

luv amy xxx

PS Harry Lloyf is soooooo fit

31 December 2007 at 18:12:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

annie,

As always, we seem to agree, and have covered broadly the same points. But there is one thing I didn't feel, and that you did, when you say "Robin's need to suppress his horror of the Crusades" was "persuasive". Whilst I found Sam Troughton was emotional and eloquent (especially bearing in mind the current world situation), I didn't find Robin's response made an ounce of sense. Something about not being able to be a leader if he thinks too much about his war experiences? I good leader learns from History, or is condemned to repeat it. that speach should have been the moment when Robin Hood broke his ties to Richard. (I think we both still think the Praed version is the best. Especially now).

amy,

If anybody visiting this blof learns just one thing, they learn for sure that Harry is fit. Thanks for the continued support. But did you honestly think that script he was given gave hime the chance to act as well as he did when he was Jeremy Baines in Doctor Who? I sometimes think those 2 episodes as Baines gave him much more to do than he was given in 2 whole series of Robin Hood.

joni,

Thanks once again for the input.

Everybody

Sorry for the slight delay in getting more pictures up. they will get here.

Also, yes, we'll go through the main characters again like we did last year, and see what people think of how they did or did not develop. Meantime, feel free to go click on a few adverts. (You don't have to buy!) And a Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

31 December 2007 at 18:39:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How could they kill her

every single robin hood legend told has him living happily with her in the end

that is what robin hood is about

that no matter what the odds are love will find away

if she is dead i will not watchit again

1 January 2008 at 05:05:00 GMT  
Anonymous Lau said...

To be honest i dont think she will come back, i beleive she is dead. I mean now, Robin has lost the love of his life and so will have a purpose to carry on, get revenge. I think the next series will be much more darker and possibly violent. I think it will change its format, no more saving little children and what not, it will be one continued story line. He wants to kill Gisbourne. I mean if she was alive then it would just revert back to the same old format and to be honest its getting tiring. I do belive shes gone for good.

1 January 2008 at 13:19:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ATTENTION !!!EVERYONE MUST READ THIS MARIAN IS COMING BACK TO ROBIN HOOD IN SERIES THREE READ THIS.......
HI!!

i have just found something amazing .i was on the bbc website for robin hood (www.bbc.co.uk/robinhood) and i clicked on about the show then at the top of the page it says find out more.i clicked on that and if you scroll down a little bit you will see

"Jonas Armstrong will return as the cheeky hero Robin Hood, who outwits and fights the evil Sheriff of Nottingham - Keith Allen - with outrageous scams, disguises, tricks and ingenuity, breathtaking archery and swordplay."

underneath that is this and i quote

" Also returning are Lucy Griffiths as the feisty kick-ass Marian"!!! i couldnt believe my eyes

That means robin hood fans shes not dead .i dunno how she can be alive but she is . you can check it out yourselves im telling the truth !!! ITS AMAZING!!!!!

But i dunno how guys gonna take it well just have to wait and see !!!!

Check it out yourselves xxx

1 January 2008 at 13:27:00 GMT  
Anonymous amy said...

just a point above ^^
i'm sorry to be negative because i really wanted this to be true but the article is about the second series just gone!
but i totally agree with everyone. what a awful ending to a fantastic series. to be honest, i'm not sure if the next series will be as good or even HOW it will develop to be as interesting. gone are the lovely moments between marian and robin and no more nail-biting moments between guy and marian.
all in all, thanks a lot BBC for killing a ledgend.

1 January 2008 at 14:02:00 GMT  
Anonymous amy said...

p.s.
i dont want to speculate but i believe marian will be in the next series, just as spirit willing robin on to keep fighting. in the word of the sheriff, blah di blah di blah.

1 January 2008 at 14:05:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Amy,

I fear that's what they'll try to do: Marian as a Spirit Guide, for just enough episodes to sell the series abroad with her name in the credits.

Terrible idea. It smacks of Xena all over again. (I loved Xena. But it's not Robin Hood!)

1 January 2008 at 14:28:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

damn that anonymous comment got me all excited!
yea thats what marian is probably going to be, but you can never be too sure especially with these bbc1 writers

1 January 2008 at 17:15:00 GMT  
Anonymous amy said...

Robin,

If they do this Spirit Guide you can guarentee I will lose all interest in this programme. We have put up with everything from XENA to CASINOS. I think someone needs to remind BBC that this is the damned 12th century not an episode of Emmerdale. I completly agree with everyone.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made Marian Spirit Guide. They've put a feather hat on her, why not make her look even more completly ridiculous.

Well done BBC. You have a great knck to ruining fantastic programmes.

1 January 2008 at 17:22:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a petition that people can sign to bring Marian back. Even if you don't want the BBC to bring Marian back because it would be "Cheesy" etc., you should still sign the petition if only to let them know that we did NOT in any way like that ending!! (The only difference it will probably make is to show the BBC how upset the fans were). I, for one, am sick of having shows ruined by the writers,etc. trying to be "new and different." All they succeeded by killing Marian (UNNECESSARILY!) was to destroy a legend and an awesome story. Now it is just pointless and depressing. So please sign the petition, if only to let our voice be heard. The show didn't deserve this... nor did the fans. And even if you didn't mind the ending, maybe you should really think about how much better the show would have been with Marian alive. Think of Series 3 without her. Please SIGN!!
Here's the link... http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-marian

1 January 2008 at 20:31:00 GMT  
Blogger kej said...

I don't know if this means anything in the greater scheme of things, but Harry Lloyd is about to start up in a West End play in London called "The Sea," with acting heavyweights like Eileen Atkins. The play is scheduled to run from the middle of January through the middle of April, and I assume he's committed to the full run.

Which may or may not give us a hint as to whether he'll show up in Season 3. I'm not sure what the filming schedule is, except for, vaguely, spring through autumn. I suppose he could finish up in London and then run straight away to Budapest, but I can also see him thinking that would be too much.

But at any rate, if Will AND Djaq show up, there had better be a baby in tow! I can deal with a casino with craps tables, and 19th-century cowboy leather dusters on 12th-century English outlaws, and a voluptuous woman somehow convincing everybody that she's really a man just because she puts on the Nightwatchman's mask, but for some reason I DEMAND a recognition of basic biology and the lack of effective birth control in the Middle Ages. I'm funny that way.

1 January 2008 at 22:20:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

nice one Kej !!

1 January 2008 at 22:27:00 GMT  
Blogger kej said...

Why, thank you!

And to inject a bit of showbiz pragmatism into the discussion...

My impression is that Harry Lloyd and Will Scarlet, especially with Djaq but also without, have proven to be much more popular characters than anybody anticipated. I imagine TPTB expected the squeeling teenager contingent to go for Jonas Armstrong, only to find the internet full of girls like my 13-year-old niece who mutters, "He's so HOT!" every time Will crosses the screen. I seriously doubt if the BBC is going to let an actor who seems to be such a ratings draw to slip away so easily. In fact, I was thinking at one point that the whole "We are Robin Hood" theme they've had since the beginning of the season was turning into a way to ease Harry Lloyd into the lead. I'd put good money on Will coming back an episode or two into the series, after a bit of tension has built up about him.

1 January 2008 at 22:54:00 GMT  
Anonymous Lau said...

i dont know if harry lloyd is coming back to series 3 (hope so0 however he is staring in the richard the lion heart spin off/mini series. i presume he'll be staring as Will Scarlett. Well i'll be watching that, so lets hope it makes up for Robin Hoods (program) disappointing fall. xx

2 January 2008 at 00:12:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Hoodies,

Just to keep things in focus: The Richard the Lionheart mini-series is not a spin off. But it is tue to say Harry Lloyd is in it playing a character called Lucas.

And Richard is played by Steven Waddington, the same actor as in Robin Hood.


All I can tell you is here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1107882/

2 January 2008 at 00:56:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hiya guys,

i really hope that Harry Lloyd will come back next series as Will Scarlet as he's my favourite charcter and i love him so much he's so fit.

Anyway here's what i reckon will happen next series:

Marian won't come back to life but she will come to haunt Gisborne in his dreams/nightmares. Robin finds a new love - a feisty woman like Marian and Will and Djaq come back to England to announce they're getting married but decide to stay as Robin and his gang need their help

luv amy xxx

PS i love Harry Lloyd

2 January 2008 at 12:33:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the Daily Star ( found this on line)

-Ms Griffiths left because she has Holywood offers. This I find surprising as there was that hysteria when Christopher Eccelson left Dr Who after one year and it was announced thereafter main characters would be given three year contract for continuity purposes.

When did they finish filming S2?-around July that would mean she has had six months to get a new project going , but there is no information.

2 January 2008 at 15:53:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think i actually prefered season 1 lol it was more realistic and true to the story. I think we should write to the producers and ask them to confirm these rumours

2 January 2008 at 16:27:00 GMT  
Blogger Joni said...

To the anonymous poster two up from me:

Careful what you believe from the Daily Star. I'm holding out for news from the BBC/Tiger Aspect/Lucy/other reliable source on what the real reasoning was.

That is all.

2 January 2008 at 16:52:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi anonymous and Joni

If Lucy signed such a contract it would have been a three series contract rather thn three years.

This would tie in with Keith Allen's statement that Lucy is using an appartment he bought in the area where they fim. She could be filming her parts ahead of schedule. This would suggest they are indeed "ghost like apparitions"...

2 January 2008 at 16:59:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am the previous anon ,would be a blog if I had one or could figure out how to get one.

Lets turn thir round?

What alternative existed to killing her off ?

Relationship with Guy? marriage to Robin .

With the former ,Robin is excluded with the later Guy is excluded.

The relationship between her and Guy ,created press , support and viewers. Robin appealed to the early teens.

Kill her off , spectacularly and then bring her back .

Why has Lucy no work listed.

If she is not back then ,they need a new actress.?? -

I see Lucy has an american agent that is obviously where the Star got there idea from.

2 January 2008 at 19:41:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Alternative to killing her off? She goes to live in the forest with Robin Hood and the outlaws.

Guy didn't love her. Not at all. It was a power trip for him.

He would redirect his unhealthy obsession as soon as another pretty girl appeared in the middle classes of nottingham. That would have been good.

The link between Gisborne and Marian has never been a part of the legend - apart from the silent movie version in which he also simply lusted after her, wanting to own her as a prize for killing the King. That's where the whole idea has been lifted from. (Armitage deserved better. He has a broader range of skills).

Lucy's future plans are likely to be kept under wraps for a while. Lots of money is at stake. If the BBC want to export a third series they need to look like the quality is worthy.

2 January 2008 at 20:23:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guy sacrificed a lot for Marian and surely like all legends they can evolve and incorporate the society that is around at the current time.

Armitage would have made a better Hood , i think the writers had to continue layering the emotional built up of the relationship between Guy and Marian as along with Mutch they became the crowd pullers and an atmosphere needed to be built up to ensure that Guy snapped.

Think back to when Piper left Dr. Who it was out in the media arena as she was leaving ,there has been absoloutely, nothing and no new work listed which is strange since it must be six months since the completed series two.Unless of course she is working in the new series which i suspect she will be .

Even if the B.B.C wished to keep her future plans underwraps her agent would have different views.A gagging contract would not last for this long .

Ghosts would be dreadful.

2 January 2008 at 21:36:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

What did Guy sacrifice for Marian????

2 January 2008 at 22:15:00 GMT  
Blogger kej said...

Alternative to killing her off? She goes to live in the forest with Robin Hood and the outlaws.

Well, that's one alternative, and earlier in the season I would have been all for it. But between Marian and Robin and Will and Djaq--whom I am confident will reappear--I now think it could push the show perilously close to "Coupling: Sherwood Edition." At least they addressed that with Much's "getting honey" spech in "Lardner's Ring," but that still doesn't solve the problem. They can't ignore the shenanigans healthy 20-something couples are going to get up to, but at they same time they can't let it take over the program. And I wasn't being completely comical with my original comment a few days ago about basic biology and the lack of birth control in the Middle Ages. If Robin and Marian were living together in the forest--as in, "LIVING together (wink wink, nudge nudge)"--I'd have a hard time watching very many episodes without muttering, "Why aren't you pregnant?" at some point.

3 January 2008 at 04:43:00 GMT  
Anonymous Coral said...

Hi!

I found this BBC page and from it, i kinda think Marian wont be coming back, theres a statement on it from the BBC saying:

BBC statement
This is what the BBC has to say on the matter.

"Lucy Griffiths has been on a fantastic journey with the show and is now exploring other opportunities. Her portrayal was romantic and feisty at the same time. She is certainly the Marian for this generation.

"In the future Robin may find a different love but no one will ever directly replace Marian."

So who knows?

Heres the page URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/articles/2007/12/31/killing_maid_marian_feature.shtml

Gotta go, luv to all xx

3 January 2008 at 14:19:00 GMT  
Anonymous anna said...

hi all,

i came back from christmas break to all these comments, it's wonderful that this programme has sparked such feeling and i think it's because it's a wonderful idea and we expect so much because we are very much involved in the characters and how they develop. i, like a lot of you, am disappointed they've removed some of my favourite characters and it did seem hurried, trying to tie up 'loose ends' and storylines.

i personally think marian's death wasn't so bad, it was totally unexpected but if you are going to almost-boast about being in love with another man to a trained killer-cum-neanderthal then what else can you expect? the relationship between marian and robin was getting a bit dry and instead of putting more effort into its development, the writers went for the kill. it's difficult to see what a robin hood series will be like with a marian but maybe that's what the show wants to do - shake things up a bit.

i was a big fan of djaq and will as characters and i think their input into the outlaws group will be very much missed. i was pleased that we finally got them together as a couple but it seemed very sudden and almost childish compared to the slow progression of their feelings for one another.

i am glad allan is back into the outlaws group but again this seemed to happen so quickly. i was disappointed he didn't get a scene with the djaq-will couple either separately or at the end to say their goodbyes. i thought the writers were going for some sort of love triangle but meh. i think joe armstrong is a great actor and i hope he gets more stories next series.

little john's truth outburst seemed over the top and there was too much repetition of 'it's a good day to die' and 'we are robin hood'. i loved and am in love with much and his truth rant to robin was what robin deserved to hear. again, i hope sam gets more screen time and decent stories next series. he's one of the strongest and most supported characters on the show.

the writers need to seriously consider how they write robin next series because they are in danger of his not having any fans and support in comparison to the rest of the cast.

maybe a few of us should be present during the writing sessions next year? ;)

happy new year everyone,
anna x

3 January 2008 at 15:04:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the URL, Coral. If Marian is dead, I'm not sure I could buy into another love interest for Robin. Him and Marian had a past and have been through so much, and then to have Robin fall in love with someone else in the next series just doesn't seem right.

3 January 2008 at 15:22:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

on the bbc nottingham website it says she's dead!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/articles/2007/12/31/killing_maid_marian_feature.shtml?comment=response#comment

3 January 2008 at 16:04:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Coral % anon.,

Thanks for the links. Now I'm depressed all over again!!!

On the BBC YouTube page there is a clip of Marian's death. I suggest that would also be a place for everyone to go and leave a comment. (I certainly did!!)

3 January 2008 at 17:35:00 GMT  
Anonymous angie said...

OH no... not good news! I visited the link and it doesn't sound good at all!! Damn.... I want Marian back!!

3 January 2008 at 18:47:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being an utter cynic of ridiculous proportions.I think the following happened.
Apart from Armitage ,Jonas and Allan, the rest of the cast were optioned on an annual basis.Minghella commented that he held mixed views around the return of R.H season 2.
R.H showcased initially in America -March07-took some time to become popular.Popularity increased around sept/oct -season 2 already out hereain we find they are going for the grande finale building up over several weeks . But the Guy /Marian brought in the crowds coupled with at times some aspects of effective writing .The series attracts an exceptionally broad church support .That support was never understood or quantified in any way . therefore, when the harsh realities set in the Beeb was stuck .

The idea of series three was cobbled together quickly.
Some of the cast have new work.Marian had died , what do they do?. I don`t care how they do it but get it back on track with a bit of reality . I completely agree with kej -bring in some biological basic reality .
i also found the idea that marian would remain in the castle with guy for that length of time without the harsh realities setting in -utterly ludicrous.The poem the tretis of two married women and a widow summs it up (15c)as does Henrikson -Testament of Cressid (early 14th).
I do have a nagging sympathy for the actress who is waiting in the wings to be robin`s new romantic interest -no matter how good she is , she will never be good enough. Guy will just become utterly demonic and utterly boring unless some careful writing is developed. If they are thinking about series four can the bean counters not get it sorted now.
Apparently, Russell T. Davies is the 14th most influential person in the b.B.c can he not be called in for advice.

3 January 2008 at 19:13:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone read the points of view in the B.B.C`s own page ?
Good grief , the mumbo jumbo the Robin said in the Holyland wasn`t even arabic -some arabic scholar has written in saying that it was nonsense. Some researcher could have phoned up London University asked for the relevant department ,accessing a real translation. -This is so careless.they do not deserve us as viewers,
sulking kitty

3 January 2008 at 19:20:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi anonymous Hoodies,

Blogger appears to have changed its format. It used to be that anonymous people could just give themselves a made up name. It would help!

Maybe sign out with one?

Anyway, the anon comment of a couple ago:

Very interesting, although I'm not sure how much of this is speculation. (The church support I wasn't aware of, but I know it's a crucial issue across American networks).

Certainly one could feel things change rather dramatically after series 2 episode 7 (the true climax of the show). So the chaos after that was indeed surely due to some cobbling together.

Just how popular Robin Hood was ANYWHERE in the world is hard to ascertain. Here in the UK it didn't get the paparazzi treatment, didn't win TV awards, didn't impact on the chat shows, and the shops are all full of Doctor Who merchandise but no Robin Hood. I visited the Major Oak tourist centre today. (Robin Hood's Tree). Not even ONE item from the series amongst their souvenirs...

Regarding all thoughts about someone getting pregnant out of wedlock, it's not gonna happen at 7.00pm on the BBC. Gut the main female hero with a steel blade? Yes. But baby making? Nope.

You also mention Russell T. Davies and "advice". Perhaps a problem has been that no-one seems to have had the "big picture" in mind when it came to planning. Cast your mind back to the controller at the BBC thinking Friar Tuck was in series 2!

Last point from me: I had visions of Russell Crowe worried about the planned "Nottingham" movie in which he is scheduled to play the Sheriff of Nottingham. I had thought the BBC had set the bar so high with series 1 that Crowe would find it a daunting task to follow.

Not now. He should have no trouble at all.

3 January 2008 at 20:19:00 GMT  
Anonymous Annie said...

When I sign on to leave a comment, it allows me to choose an identity by clicking on "nickname" and writing one in. I think the default is anonymous.

3 January 2008 at 21:29:00 GMT  
Anonymous Coral said...

Hi!
Ooh 100th comment
(Well if no ones left one while im typing lol)

Great blog Robin, love it. Thanks so much for all the reviews and the opportunity for us to discuss it.

xXx

3 January 2008 at 22:30:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Coral,

Happy 100!!!!

I bet you were sat waiting to do that!!

And hey, any more compliments like that and I'll have to do series 3 after all!!

3 January 2008 at 23:57:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

anonymous bloggers

please read Annie's comment above.

It's nice when people can respond by a name. Just give yourself any name you like.

3 January 2008 at 23:59:00 GMT  
Blogger kej said...

I've been wondering about the 7:00 restrictions. I understand them only vaguely. I've noticed that, though season 2 had a lot more violence than season 1, it had virtually no blood--the dead jailer in Edward's prison cell is the only bloody instance I can think of off the top of my head, and there have been MANY times when a sword was thrust into a castle guard and came out perfectly clean. I've been assuming that was because of the time restrictions. What other effects might there be? How dark can the show go? (Doctor who has gone pretty dark lately, but I think that's a more existential darkness that flies over most kids' heads.) How can they handle sex? (Again, on Doctor Who, there have been some pretty steamy moments, but it's all been implied steam, nothing explicit--the "phone sex" conversation between the Doctor and the Master in the next-to-last episode this season, for instance.) I would argue that raising pregnancy as a probable consequence of sex, and sex and a probable consequence of young love, is a responsible position to take and maybe even more appropriate for a pre-watershed show than for a later show. And don't forget Annie, the kitchen maid Guy knocked up and whose baby he abandoned in the woods--in other words, there is a precedence on this show already. That said, I can understand the counter-argument.

I do agree with one of the anonymous posters above and with our own Robin Hood that things have felt very cobbled together lately. That said, "cobbled together" doesn't mean the complete ruination of the show. Russel T. Davies made a complete hash out of the ending of last season's Doctor Who, apparently because he ran out of time to write the last episode, but I feel confident that next year will be at least watchable. That said, the writers and producers of Doctor Who seem a lot more talented, generally speaking, than the writers and producers of Robin Hood.

4 January 2008 at 00:39:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

i think the differences between writers , producers on Dr Who as opposed to Robin Hood is essentially practical .

Tiger aspect is commisioned and supplies the goods for a specific figure.
The b.b.c has more flexibility in terms of utilising it own staff etc. a private versus public argument i guess.
Dr who`s producers etc are on the pay roll

4 January 2008 at 06:40:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

kej,

the 7.00 restrictions have to be combined with the exporting of the show, plus the target audience.

For example, "Hollyoaks" (a pre-9.00 watershed soap), would seem to be all about sex.

But a series called Robin Hood will be perceived from the start to be about a popular "childhood" story.

Sex, violence, and sex with violence, are all acceptable to very different levels in differnt countries. I think those wanting to export a show will always have to take this into account. Parents everywhere would not expect a Robin Hood TV series to go too far.

I wonder if the first 7 episodes overstepped the mark in "someone's" mind, and that's why Robin suddenly stopped killing? Although that doesn't explain Marian 's savage death. (Maybe that was just motivated by a writer who'd had enough of the whole thing and didn't care about consequences.

4 January 2008 at 12:02:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

kitty

That certainly explains a lot about the lack of investment on merchandise, etc.

The original 1950's TV series (Richard Greene) was also produced and then sold to the BBC.

4 January 2008 at 12:05:00 GMT  
Blogger kej said...

It never even occurred to me that the producers would have to answer to more than one constituency. That makes the erratic nature of the scrips make much more sense. (It doesn't mean that I like it, just that it makes sense.) It DID occur to me to wonder if there was a possibility of shifting the show away from 7:00 and freeing things up a bit, but I guess not. Still, it's funny how a jungle-based guerrilla campaign against ruthless overlords is universally seen as a kiddie story.

4 January 2008 at 17:35:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

I thought it would make much more sense to move outwith kiddy zone.
If the response to indiscriminate
scripts by non kiddies is so great imagine the potential outwith that zone .

I cannot blog -haven`t a clue but i did read the B.B.C u tube blogs as requested -i take it we have no idea how many of the bloggers are real ?
Revisiting the power of the bean counter -regardless that Armitage is a good actor -this Christmas was like a homage to him . regardless of his involvement he was certainly up there in the billing ,his bankability has certainly increased due to R.H . Which makes me wonder -ghosts of Marian

4 January 2008 at 19:31:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Kej and Kitty

Some versions have gone out of the kiddy zone. In particular "Robin and Marian", Sean Connery and Audrey Hepburn.

I also the Robin of Sherwood took the whole thing to a more challenging level.

But in the end, it's still Richard Greene or Errol Flynn that the public expects.

As regards the Armitage comment: He is a fine actor, and commands a large and loyal fan base (Armitage Army). So if they've been notching up the counts over at the BBC I'm not surprised. No reason why not. My views on the script Armitage was given differ wildly and widely from theirs I'm sure.

4 January 2008 at 19:46:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, you are not alone. The finale was AWFUL! The script was HORRIBLE! The actors did their best, but you can only do so much.

I doubt I will be watching season 3. I have had a few 'favourite' shows in my life, and none of them have let me down like this. I am thoroughly dissapointed.

Mica

5 January 2008 at 07:17:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

Sorry chaps i was not clear . A mandarian in the B.B.C made the decision to throw out everything Armitage was in over the Christmas period. Regardless of the fact that he is a fine actor i am convinced the adulation that he receives which has increased undeniably due to his performence as Gisbourne influenced the B.eeb`s decision to list -why not.
But that does in part support the idea the Beeb started with a programme filler and ended up with a popular show they had not planned for.I am convinced that Marian was probably dumped.
The easy way out would be to re-shoot her speech , he wounds her and the sherrif comes round with two horse -cheap.

5 January 2008 at 14:48:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

hey robin are you still goign to do a site for series 3?

5 January 2008 at 18:05:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi noodles

Don't know anymore...

Long before Jonas Armstrong, long before the BBC decided to do a new version, I started one Robin Hood blog as a small hobby. It was / is only ever intended as a little distraction from work.

The first series of the Jonas version was so good I didn't mind finding the time to keep going on the second. But it did get more and more difficult. (Hence the slowness in getting new pictures up!!!)

I do already have a blog reserved for series 3 (I think there's a link to it on the side). But it might have to be a simpler affair than this. Really not sure yet. And, of course, my enthusiasms for a third series have certainly diminished.

5 January 2008 at 18:33:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

Dear R.H ,
I cannot possibly imagine the amount of work required to keep the blog running. However , like many people the blog became a focus for myself to discuss a programme .However, it cannot be at the expense of you.
Is there anything that could be done to assist you?
Obviously, i take it that you are an artist and this detracts from your work.
With greatful thanks

5 January 2008 at 21:02:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Robin Hood, your website is great.
I liked all this BBC show, but the end was really awful. I think it was just a dream. There were many strange moments. Why was Marian so obsessed with killing of Sheriff? There were many other Black Knights, so it wouldnt help to King. Why they have taken Marion to the Holy land? She tried to kill the Sheriff, so she could be executed perhaps next day. Why they dont look for Alan? He knew they secrets so he could be dangerous. And so on.
I really liked M/G friendship. I remember that in the Robin of Sherwood with young Connery was Guy Robin´s half-brother. So I hoped that in this show could be Guy Marion´s lost half-brother or something like this :-).
Sorry for my English, Im from Czech republic.

6 January 2008 at 19:59:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi anonymous Czech,

Thanks for joining us.

I loved "Robin of Sherwood". (My favourite).

I agree the last episode did look like a dream full of errors. Maybe a nightmare!

Let us all know what you think of Djaq and Will when I post a new article next week.

6 January 2008 at 20:12:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bring her back , the B>b>c have let a gold mine go

6 January 2008 at 21:00:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hiya, just wnna say thanx to Robin Hood for doing this amazing site. i love it loads

luv amy xxx

ps i love harry lloyd

7 January 2008 at 15:52:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Thanks Amy

Back at ya, and thanks for all your comments and contributions.

I shall be interested to hear what people say about Will and Djaq this coming weekend in my next post.

I shall reserve my next comments 'til then.

cheers everybody!

7 January 2008 at 17:40:00 GMT  
Anonymous SoftVoice said...

Yeah... really thanx a lot...!! for all your work!!

I just wanted to add a peace of info... Lucy Griffiths won't come back in the 3d series...
here's the link:

http://www.lucygriffiths.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=522

So sorry about the news, I only wish luck to Lucy!!!

7 January 2008 at 22:07:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Robin Hood,

A few months back i commented that Series 2 is much better than series 1,but at the time we're still on earlier episodes. In fact you agreed that if series 2 ended with the same climax as death and marriage like S.1 then definitely we're heading for a better one this time. It did ended with the same climax as "death and marriage" in some sort of way. It was poor judgment on the writers part to to end it this way. Now i'm eating my words i don't like the later part of S.2.I shared the rest of the fans disappointment and the downfall of potentially good series.
Thanks for the time and effort you put up for us fans around the world to have our say.
Looking forward for your blog on Series 3..

9 January 2008 at 00:31:00 GMT  
Blogger kej said...

I thought Season Two got better and better as it went on, which is what made the finale such a disappointment. It was such a dramatic drop in quality that I've been wondering what went on behind the scenes--did the writers not get word until it was too late that there was going to be another season? (Which raises another question: If the BBC didn't renew it, could production continue based on it's popularity in other countries?) Or that Lucy Griffiths was definitely leaving? Was the mess that was the finale the result of an effort to force the BBC's hand? And who's really in charge, the BBC or Tiger Aspect?

I've also been thinking over something I read about the death of Marian, either here or on another site (I've been reading so many lately that they've all run together in my mind): that her death was punishment for her independence. I can see where that argument is coming from, but in thinking about it, it seems that "going it alone" has been depicted as a bad idea, no matter who's doing the going. In the second (or was it first?) episode, Much goes to rescue Robin by himself, and has to be rescued in turn. Several times Robin tries to do something without the gang and gets caught, or otherwise has to fall back on them. The whole "we are Robin Hood" think is about how the group is more important than the individual. Any number of solo messengers wind up dead. Etc. Marian the lone operator dying seems to be part of that bigger pattern. But that brings us back to the fact that Marian ISN'T part of bigger pattern simply by virtue of her sex--she's the only woman we see acting independently because she's almost the only woman we see acting in any way at all. Given the nature of the Robin Hood legend, there's not a lot the writers can do about that, either, but at the same time, because she's the lone woman, anything and everything that she does and that happens to her is going to have a bigger, more symbolic impact than if it happened to the guys. I don't know any way around that, either--any way that something bad can happen to Marian and it NOT be fraught.

9 January 2008 at 02:22:00 GMT  
Anonymous Walker said...

Although I agree with many of the points you made, I have to disagree with the general critism of the whole finale.
I personally thought that, despite the devestating death of Marian, it was fantastic.
True, I did not like Little John's outburst at all, I mean, where did that come from, we haven't heard anything about Alice or Little Little John since they disappeared last series, so why bring it up just because it's the finale?
The version of truth and dare was terrible too. Djaq's declaration of love was so fake and made me cringe so much I nearly had to change the channel.
King Richard was a complete let down, and my fears that Robin has been putting him on a pedestal have been confirmed. If Robin can't save england, how on earth can this wimp, who falls for the most flimsy plan the sheriff has ever conjured up?
I loved Much in these episodes. His rage at Robin was superb, hats of to Sam, and the "It's me isn't it. You love everyone else but you don't love me." was brilliant too.
The ending scene was amazing. It was truely heart-wrenching to see Marian potrayed so bravely in the face of death, and Robin so distraught and shocked. I just hope the writers continue his mourning in the next series.The worst thing about the dying sequence, was that she died.
Killing Marian was the biggest mistake of the entire series, and coupling it with the departure of Will and Djaq leaves me doubting how on earth Tiger Aspect can pull series 3 together to even compare to this series. Marian makes Robin Hood Robin Hood, and without her, it won't ever be anywhere near as good.
Unlike you, end of series 2 had me in hysterics. My faith in the BBC has been dented, although not obliterated. I just hope they can pull it together next series.

11 January 2008 at 13:51:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Walker,

Well, although you start by saying our opinions differ, you go on to agree with all my criticisms(?)

We both hated the Djaq / Will / John sequence.

We both loved Much.

We neither of us were impressed by the continuing loyalty to Richard.

We both think Marian acted her scene out in fine style.

The more I look back on this whole situation, the more it becomes apparent the BBC only ever saw Robin Hood as a quick fix between Dr Who seasons. A shame their own budget didn't spread to making the whole thing themselves, and thinking ahead a little more; planning characters with more care, etc.

Anyway folks. I'm moving on to the next topic: Will and Djaq.

thanks for such an amazing and illuminating input on the finale.

11 January 2008 at 21:59:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

Gossip from the east -lucy griffiths currently filming Bond -she is one of the two female leads . She has been filming for three months -season three came put to late . Robin hood becoming very popular , some accountant should hang their head in shame

14 January 2008 at 04:39:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

seriously unimpressed by this series' finale! i completely agree that the "confessions" scene was out of character for all except Much - i was dissappointed by the pathetic outcome of Will and Djaq's relationship which had been building for so many episodes. also, taking out will, Djaq and Marian will reck the series - the actors worked well as a team and since when did Will Scarlett die in any of the legends?! no girls left now too - all we have to watch now is the guys getting macho - no girls to kick ass and hold up the side. lastly, and most importantly, why is Marian DEAD???!!! goes against the legends, dissappoints all viewers (and i'm not sure her final "i hate you guy and am going to marry robin" speach wasn't kind of out of character), and is COMPLETELY pointless. The bbc will lose a lot of viewers over it, judging by the comments strewn accross the net, so why not give us our happy ending; marry them off and finish there - no need for series three! series three will need a lot of script-writing skill and good acting to make it worth watching - was i th only one to think that Marian and Robin's relationaship was what kept the series going and held it together? and besides, i watch tv to forget about reality, not so that they can go and make it "realistic" by killing off such an important character! anyway, rant over :-P and well done for keeping this blog page so full of intelligent comment and fantastic pictures! (apologies for overuse of exclamtion marks!!!)

19 January 2008 at 00:07:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi anon,

was i the only one to think that Marian and Robin's relationaship was what kept the series going?

- Nope. That is after all what has kept the legend alive for centuries.

I agree with you and thousands of others.

The finale sucked. Big time. And a third series would seem to be pointles on the basis that no-one involved seems to have the enthusiasm for it.

19 January 2008 at 00:23:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi
just to say the finale was alright, not brillant. will mariam come back,some say yes, some say no. you have made some good points about the last espoide. keep the spirt alive, " it's good to dream ". can't wait to the next series.
bye

19 January 2008 at 19:01:00 GMT  
Anonymous Mojo said...

Hi
im from Aus and i found out through your site about Marians death. i was absolutely dumbstruck for a few moments and was like a zombie all day. When i watch the episode on youtube a couple of days later, (it took me a while to bring myself to watch it), i cried, a lot. I now have no interest in the third season, there can be no happy ending for Robin without Marian, when the king returns robin will live in Loxley again, but he'll be all alone. I would be furious if Robin got a new lover, it would not make sense, it would take years for Robin to be able to love someone like he loved marian. ive been sulking about this ending for weeks, its just not right, they haven't just killed Marian, they've killed half the story (the better half) There's just no point to the story without Marian, Robin has no reason to want the king to return, if you think about it it was the kings fault that Marian died, if he wasn't so stupid, he wouldn't have needed rescueing and Marian would not have given up her life to save him!!

Its not very likely, but im hoping that Marian will somehow come back to life, Robin Hood needs a leading woman, without Marian, Robin and his men are just a bunch of outlaws, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor because they have nothing else to do.

21 January 2008 at 23:12:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question, what will happen to the blog when robin hood tv series finishes? It just came to mind the other day.

26 January 2008 at 15:48:00 GMT  
Anonymous Dotty said...

I think the bbc did wrong killing of marian, lot's of young children love watching the program, and to see marian die,made them really upset. This topic was made in a comment on another website,i'm not alone on this issue.

26 January 2008 at 16:02:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi anon.,

My Robin Hood blogs were here a loooong time before Jason, and they will be here a long time after he's been succeeded by future Robins. (As, for example, the planned Russel Crowe movie, the role for which hasn't yet been announced).

If you like Robin Hood, check out the links on the sidebar to my other blogs.

This blog will stay here, as the one for series 1 did.

Hi Dotty,

Old fashioned though it might be, I totally agree. It wasn't just the death of Marian, it was also the manner of that death.

Even without too much blood, it was rather brutal physically for children, and I think also sent very negative messages out to them.

Robin Hood's response did little to redeem the issue.

26 January 2008 at 16:37:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey

Im new to the site so if sumone has already the question sorry!!
But i was wondering does anyone know when the second series is coming out on box set!!!

thanx

6 March 2008 at 17:28:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lucy was fantastic in that role i watched in awe evertime she came on i loved this show form the beginning and could not see what the critics problems were the bbc have let a gold mine go before her time. but an interesting bit of info i was looking on you tube yesterday becauses i like seeing peoples comments and one comment that stuck out for me at that time and there have been many was one that said she had been SUSEPENDED!! now i been following this since the start and everyday since and seen alot of rumours that could or could not be true and this word could just be someones term for fied/left whatever but i looked that word up in the dictionary and came up with some interesting points i may got this wrong but for me i have seen this word around more than once reply please thanx!!!

26 March 2008 at 15:26:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

There was also a rumour, after series 1, that Anjali (Djaq), had been sacked for getting drunk.

Rumours.
Rumours.
Rumours.

Yes, Lucy was fantastic. The best Marian ever. No doubt. (Even though my childhood fantasy Patricia Driscoll still looms large in my heart).

I'm not aware of any undue criticism. I know the contemporary style gave those who still cling to the belief that Robin Hood swung like Tarzan through the forest (Flynn), a hard time.

26 March 2008 at 16:03:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there has been in the past, there was for series 1 you just had to know were to look they were people critising it on various forums and sites (cant name them sorry) and also the papers, people also had made articles and blogs about it.
criticising various aspects of it , which i didnt approve of and its the same with series 2, but there was not so much because over all the show was great and the bbc/writers had proved those critics from the first series wrong and showed them who was boss so to speak.but after that finale there is no doubt that there are now more critics than ever before who were dedicated fans,more than the bbc can handle i think reply thanx!!

26 March 2008 at 18:34:00 GMT  
Anonymous BT said...

It was all a fever dream as they lay hanging from the poles in the desert. S3 kicks off as they snap out of it, Will and Djaq don't suddenly get all silly, Marian doesn't die, and the King of England is not a giant fool and a right prick as well. And they don't walk back from Acre to Sherwood in a day like they did on the way out.

OR

Robin ia alternately (and inexplicably) nobly generous and driven mad with rage against Guy and the Sheriff. ALL SEASON.

Oh and Jonas Armstrong just announced he's going to do Series 3 and then leave. Hmmmm.

7 August 2008 at 03:34:00 BST  

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