Wednesday, 13 February 2008

Robin Hood and Marian, Jonas Armstrong and Lucy Griffiths, pictures

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Blogger robin hood said...

Robin Hood pictures, Marian pictures, Maid Marian, Lucy Griffiths pictures, Robin Hood series 2, Jonas Armstrong pictures.

13 February 2008 17:47:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

zzzzz-lovely old friends -boy and girl next door. total lack of lust ,passion , maturity -just plain old grounded friendship . he did look out for her , but both went their own ways .

13 February 2008 21:18:00 GMT  
Anonymous Firefly said...

i would just love robin to meet up with another girl from his childhood next series!

14 February 2008 10:44:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

With absolutely no women left in the cast, I think something like that is bound to happen.

We know almost nothing about Robin's early days. We did meet the "witch" who helped raise him. But we never knew much about his romance with Marian, or who else might have been around.

I do predict a scene with someone in a Night Watchman costume going about Nottingham, and Robin investigating who it can be....

14 February 2008 10:52:00 GMT  
Anonymous noodles said...

robin can't have another love interest! thet would be totalling abandonign the robin hood story!
ok fair enough the bbc already went against it by killing marian but most people coudl just baout take that storyline i think most would die if tehy introduced a love interest!

14 February 2008 14:01:00 GMT  
Anonymous Tobias said...

Like Robin i'm pretty sure they will introduce a new love interest. And it could be done well. Look and the 3rd series of Robin of Sherwood where Marian is in a very similar position to Robin in the new series. The writer in Robin of Sherwood handled it pretty well, building up very slowly and never ignoring the grief and conflict of loyality.

Unfortunatly i have a lot less confidence in the current writers.

14 February 2008 17:24:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

My concerns over the Marian- Robin relationship was that it did not develop at a natural pace especially in series two . it was as though they had declared and where then stuck in time. Robin worked on his own , There was not the slightest bit of passion ,he had been away for how long ? she was unmarried . Technically, they only had each other-but in relaity she had a mature developing relationship with Guy and he had Mutch . I struggled with the presence of Robin at both points when Marian was with Guy , when he was bare chested and when she kissed him in the castle . Once fine , twice have the writers run out of ideas .
of course there will be a romantic interest for robin
a) the shepherdess -totally for him -used as an explorer of ideals emotions and attitudes
b)another aristocratic female - initially dead set against but gradually becoming involved -maybe guy maybe not - but would be a bit of the same again. She could be related to Guy or indeed the sherrif and could be married to Guy
c) return of Marian . depending on the last episode , married to Guy , returmmg to robin .
All depends doesn1t it on whether the series stops at three . But the romantic interest could not be much of a focus ,just around instead we have bad Guy on one side and Robin on the other .

15 February 2008 15:30:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets stop the nonsense Marian is coming back . Doubts e mail Tiger aspect and ask

15 February 2008 20:17:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi anonymous,

My feelings on the matter? She's gone. She was great, but she's gone.

As a fan of the Robin Hood legend and the films and TV programmes it has created, I am admittedly more interested in hearing news about the forthcoming Russell Crowe film, in which there has been some talk of him now being Robin instead of the Sheriff after all. (This blog isn't the place to chat about Russell Crowe though).

However, many readers of this blog are fans more of the current Robin Hood TV show than the whole legend. I think that's equally great, and I enjoy reading their speculation and thoughts on all things pertaining to Lucy, and about how series 3 is going to resolve itself.

So, whereas I take your point about accepting the fact she's gone, even without Lucy, there are many things which need clearing up. I'm pleased to offer this place a somewhere fans can join in speculating about those "loose ends".

16 February 2008 11:46:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

I totally agree ,the legend and times of Robin hood i find fascinating .
Up here Rob Roy was made into something he wasn`t for the sake of Holywood ,but the legend of Robin hood offers up honour . A characteristic that is sadly missing these days.
Russell Crowe as the Sheriff-pity when there are so many excellent British actors struggling.

I have always felt J.K.Rowland got it right when she insisted that the actors in the Potter films were home grown .
R.H you seem very sure that Marian has gone -apart from the obvious is there anything else.

16 February 2008 21:31:00 GMT  
Anonymous andy said...

As well as Marian back we need Tuck -Dawn French would be good in that role

28 February 2008 15:38:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Andy,

Your dawn French idea is possibly the single most inspired suggestion I've ever read on my blogs.

She would be PERFECT. (Although I'm not sure you could have a female vicar in those days..)


...but yes, we definately should have a Tuck. (I never liked the idea of matt lucas).

28 February 2008 20:53:00 GMT  
Anonymous evielyn said...

I quite agree There are a lot of loose ends to be resolved Firstly Guy might have won the battle (If I can't have her noone can but he,s lost the war )He can no longer hurt Robin in any way and he has to live with that. Every meeting in the future will make him feel guilty and I think Marian will haunt him and eventually cause his own destruction he won't get a lot of support from the Sherriff and I think I must be the only person who never liked the charater of Guy at all he was cruel and Maliputive right from the beginning of the 1st series And Richard himself in an interview said he is a real bad guy now (In the film Prince of Thieves Gisbourne came to a sticky end murdered by the Sheriff ) I think that there is also a long overdue opening for Prince John to make an appearance perhaps during the series to begin to realise that the Sheriff is even for (for Prince John)to be over stepping his authority I also think that the King could send Robin some much needed support with some of his own knights Also maybe a cousin or Uncle of Marian,s could appear unknown to Guy of course to plan his own revenge against her death, also of course Robin will always be there to exact his ( revenge is a dish best eaten cold) planning and smiling at Guy whenever he sees him .Friar Tuck I fully expected to see with the King in the Holy Land as Richard's personal mentor I also think that the Holy Land could be visited again to fill out the story lines and even for Richard to come home on a visit and during that time grant Robin his title and lands back in front of everyone ( he only spent about 10 months in England anyway) The possibilities are endless if the writers are prepared to open every thing up I would also like to see less moaning from little John good grief I am suprised that Robin didn't leave them all to get on with it what a load of moaners they all were .Will and Jac I can,t make my mind up about I felt so sorry for Robin in that last scene so sad at seeing their happiness I never really believed in them Maybe Will will return he could do and lastly I don't think there should be a new love for Robin ( what a field day Gisbourne would have with that ) for the story line to continue he has sadly to be alone( maybe a friendship with someone) unlike Prince of thieves we were never given a back story for Robin as to what happened to his parents that could also be told I hope this has opened up a line for dicussion with other readers the stories are there but only in my opinion for 1 more series. I think that Robin will finish his life in the Holy Land after he has avenged Marian's death it will be interesting to see what the script writers come up with I thought the whole death scene was very well done so I do hope we are not sold down the river with silly story lines it has got too deep for that you can only build on what has gone before Oh One last thing Much is lovely he could be given his Bonchurch

1 March 2008 22:18:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

The whole thing is in a sorry mess isn't it?

The more I think about Robin Hood with no Maid Marian, and all she symbolises, the more I hate the idea.

You were not the only person who never liked the Guy character in thios series. I didn't either. It should have been brilliant. It wasn't.

Prince John would be a nice idea. I'd rather he make an appearance than Richard.

I imagine Robin will kill Guy in the end as some kind of atonement to all concerned.

As you say, we never got the full story about Robin's childhood, only the "Witch" bit. I'd love to see her come back.

And I agree about Much. Great character; great actor.

2 March 2008 14:06:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree with you, i never understood where the writers were tryin to take guy's character. They couldn't seem to decide if he was good or bad and frequently changed between episodes. i think he should have been played as the real baddy or one of the goodies. the bbc writers need to get their act together for the next series otherwise they will find they have no fans left!

2 March 2008 16:58:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what no-one anticipated was that Guy and Marian sizzled together ,
and drew in the crowds. Two baddies together would have just been boring, Guy drew out the sheriff `s badness.
My bones tell me that season three was an after thought and my bones also tell me Marian was written out (Actually not my bones a source )
To het an idea of what might happen look at the style of the season three writers

2 March 2008 20:55:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Thanks for the input,

It's always good to hear an alternative view. My own is that they did not "sizzle". And that's what was wrong. They should have sizzled. But, as I've mentioned in my review of Armitage's version of Gisborne, the script let them down.

It should have been based on sexual tensions and desire. But the script never was.

And everyone drew out the Sheriff's badness. Even the canaries.

Yes I do think season 3 was an afterthought. Even season 1 could have been the end of it all. (Many wish it had).

2 March 2008 21:08:00 GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with you Robin. Guy and Marian DID NOT SIZZLE as I said on an earlier blog she was nervous of him and so it proved she had reason to be if everyone rewatched S1 they would see the expressions on her face when he killed people
I seem to be the only person who actually likes Robin they sizzled!! she was always in S2 for him and in the final episode she would and did die for him
The poor girl was on her own a lot of the time. In the Richard Green version Marian was a ward of King Richard and as such had the the protection of the crown and therefore could move
around the castle just as she pleased I seem to remember Prince John had a thing for her and even in Prince of Thieves she was the Kings ward. not this time though she was alone and had to look out for herself Guy wasn't to be trusted he could have done what she said and killed the sheriff but he didn,t and she was proved
to be right and paid the ultimate price. Its evielyn again can't seem to log on with my name tonite

3 March 2008 21:59:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

100% agree.

3 March 2008 22:09:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

marioan died for Richard not Robin.She died for an ideal .W
I really struggle with the death scene and feel that there were/are many other possibilities to keep the Marian character whilst still moving the script on ,The amount of character death endings is both sloppy and lazy

7 March 2008 22:01:00 GMT  
Anonymous kitty said...

Robin
As matter of interest .
Did anyone approve of the lack of Tuck and /or the death of marion?

9 March 2008 13:05:00 GMT  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Kitty,

As far as I remember no-one "approved" of Marian's murder.

Criticisms ranged from the loss of an excellent character and actress, to being unsuitable at that time of evening, to messing with a keystone of the Legend.

Several have attempted to make sense of it intellectually by suggesting she had exhausted all possibilities. A comment I find ridiculous, but I appreciate hearing all sides.

Regarding Tuck it was mixed: Those of us who know what an angry Friar Tuck can do (one of the only 2 good characters in Prince of Thieves), and appreciate the plot lines it makes possible between the faith of Djaq and those of the Outlaws, we wanted a Tuck. (Though not Matt Lucas for me...)

Friar Tuck was never a Billy Bunter fat person type, being bullied and picked on. Never. He was tough, a great swordsman, could read, and understood how to use the law to the outlaws own ends.

Those people who thought he was simply a fat non-pc, old fashioned concept, never wanted a Tuck. I would like to see a Friar Tuck be given a chance.

9 March 2008 13:22:00 GMT  
Blogger Lucy said...

When I watched the first episode of Robin Hood I fell instantly in love with it. It has everything that you could possibly want in a show - romance, drama, adventure and fantastic actors! I watched every episode avidly and never doubted anything to do with the show - I had absolute and total faith in the writers. Robin completely took over my life. I became totally obsessed with the show and everything to do with it. Although, however much I love the show, I have to say that the last episode of series 2 was a complete dissapointment to me. This is an extremely hard thing for me to say, as I love it so much! But it has to be said - the last episode was horrifically bad. To kill of Marian - Marian! - is the worst possible ending to the series. (Marian!) I am absolutely distraught. It was completely unnecessary! It wasn't, however, just Marian's death that made the last episode the tradgedy that it was. The whole idea of them going to the holy land in the first place was a stupid one! Even the screenplay was stupid! I just can't get over what a disspointment it was generally!

What's more, they start filming series 3 next month, which until today I was excited about. But how do they expect to go on without Marian? They've taken out the only female charaters in the show, and in keeping Will and Djaq in the holy land, have torn apart the gang.

I mistakenly watched the last episode ahead of time - I watched it on the DVD instead of waiting for Sunday night, and am now regretting it! I can only hope that on Sunday they'll show the REAL last episode and Marian won't be killed and I won't have to go through all this horrible stress and depression that I am currently going through!

We loved you Marian, and we can't believe you're gone. I have lost all faith in the writers of Robin Hood. I can't believe what they have done.

24 April 2008 15:21:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Lucy,

Countless fans feel exactly the same way. It was a pointless and cynical ending; more befitting of a cheap Soap than a centuries old legend.

24 April 2008 15:54:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think guy and marian are amazing together. way better than her and robin...BLEH! He is such a child and they're "love" is so predictible....it's too easy. guy is a man; he feels very strongly for her & he can't be the kind of person to give his heart easily. i hate the way marian toys with him; it's cruel. her & guy's relationship is much more interesting and complex; she sees the good in him & if she would realize she actually does have feelings for him, maybe she would also realize that she has the power to bring out the brave, good man that he is & perhaps persuade him to help her, robin & the gang against the sheriff. the sheriff could care less about guy....so why not? would be great! :) guy and marian are too hot together, and he is so sweet (in his own way) to her...parts where he is almost brought to tears break my heart. i'm in love with sir guy. haha. Anyway i think Marian's death should turn out to be staged with robin/his gang, and guy all in on it--staged for the sheriff; then they all get him in the end. everyone wins--guy could still have a chance to show marian that he loves her deeply & whether or not she realizes, she feels for him too and they're better together. robin would get his land back and the sheriff would be gone & the king would be back. guy could have his woman, the sheriff would be gone (which i'm sure he would like too) so guy might be able to gain a higher rank (hopefully marian and others would vouch for him to the king)...whatever i should write for this show. haha

and if guy dies....i will CRY. he is my favorite character on the show! also allan is very funny with guy. way funnier than with anyone else. i think the sheriff is evil, but he does give me a good laugh every now and then. lol. and i know it's cruel but when marian "died" a part of me kinda laughed and was like "serves you right." i know, i know...but i did. the way she said what she said to him was so smug & cruel i could go on FOREVER about all this i HATE & LOVE marian...arggghhh but i love Guy more than anyone. so there. :) <3


GUY & MARIAN FOREVER!! <3
*i mean robin's 'cute' but i like a real man ;)*


i would like to know what anyone says in response. laurel89@comcast.net

20 May 2008 21:21:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Laurel,

Well, I may not agree with you about Guy and Marian, but I certainly agree that Joe Armstrong as Allan A Dale was absolutely brilliant. Especially his jibes at Guy!

20 May 2008 23:51:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok! let's just face it! the big problem with these series making is the problem of actors and actresses! I mean, unfortunately they lead undirectly the stories. As I read in the wikianswers,(but of course it could be a rumor too!) marian died, just because the actress resigned from the show! the similar problem happened in lost series when analousie died just because she had to go in jail for a car trepass! And those are just the ones which I've seen and known! I mean the thing that makes me angry is that they change the stories, specially in new versions of old ones, without attention to its history, story, etc. And just some (maybe) childish problems make them change a story that had been told through people for hundreds of years for nothing!! I've really lost my interest in seeing the show anymore!

4 July 2008 21:46:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi anonymous,

Certainly a lot of us have lost some interest in the show, but are willing to give series 3 a go to see what happens.

I totally agree the death of Marian was inexcusable. A stupid idea, of no artistic merit, and flying in the face of history.

However, we still don't really know why it came about. It still seems more complex than simply Lucy wanting to leave the show. Perhaps we'll never really know.

5 July 2008 00:16:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i really don't think i can watch season 3. Maid marian and robin are the whole story its their love that makes you want to join the gang and fight for england

5 August 2008 09:59:00 BST  
Anonymous Lucy said...

You still have to watch the third season. No matter how angry you get you still have to watch it! It's Robin Hood! you have to be faithful to the show

5 August 2008 10:01:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but it's a little hard to do that when tptb themselves cannot remain true to the story. They totally ruined the whole legend for me.

5 August 2008 11:26:00 BST  
Blogger Lucy said...

Ok fair enough, but the way I see it you can look at it two ways. You can either be cynical and not watch the third series in protest, or you can embrace it as a show, separate from the legend. You can look at it as something in its own right, and move on. If you do the latter, you can enjoy the third series for what it is. I think you have to move away from the legend

5 August 2008 11:31:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry I really am but I'm more of a romantic and if they wanted to stray from the legend then they should have called the show something other then robin hood, nothingham maybe? No sorry I signed on to show because of the characters of jonas and griffiths. I could have even dealt w the character being recasted but even that would have been hard. I'd rather not watch it's just too depressing, but props to u 4 being so faithful

5 August 2008 11:41:00 BST  
Blogger Lucy said...

Hmm I still think that I can turn you round. Do you have a hotmail address? Mine is lucy.hatcher@hotmail.com
I need a robin hood fan to talk to!

5 August 2008 11:42:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Just to add my "two penneth" (as we say in Nottingham):

Modify with the legend, as when adding a Saracen outlaw (or bow), or having Will Scarlet turn traitor, fine. The legend was always being added to and modified, even centuries ago.

But completely re-writing the legend so Marian is murdered by Guy (or even fancy Guy), is just wrong I reckon.

6 August 2008 13:29:00 BST  
Anonymous Aussienomad said...

It would have been better not to kill off the Marian character,but send her to a nunnery, say,as a prioress, which would have given the actor the chance to return to Series three in guest appearances,if she wanted.

I think Marian was a little in love with Gisbourne,so her manner of death isn't convincing. After all,Guy was prepared to die at her side when Nottingham was to be torched,which showed his capacity for suffering,and charges her with some responsibility for Guy's fate.

Marian could have been forgiven for feeling somewhat let down by a King Richard whose brief appearances give little clue as to his real character,reputedly as ruthless as the Sheriff and co.,apart from his supposed intent of fighting for England in the name of Christianity. King Richard falls rather short of Marian's ideal of justice for all,particularly in view of his response to Robin's last words to him, and if the script had shown her in crisis of faith in him,this would have given more depth to a reading of her character.

Her retreat to a nunnery would have given her political power,and access to both Robin and Guy, from a position of independance, to work through the anguish that they both cause her. Could have been interesting.

14 March 2009 03:25:00 GMT  

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