Friday, 4 April 2008

Robin Hood. Series 3. Episode 0: "Fantasy in the Forest".

Upon their return to Nottingham the Sheriff is less than enamoured with Guy of Gisborne's mental state. Totally pre-occupied with his murdering of Marian, Guy is given to calling out in his sleep, restless nightmares, and imagining he sees visions of Marian in her now ghostly bridal veil, come to haunt him. In essence, the Sheriff now perceives Guy as a liability, and starts to consider ways of getting rid of him.

When Robin returns to Sherwood with John, Much and Allan, the atmosphere is tense. Robin is suffering from bereavement, and even more reckless in his attitude than at then end of Series 2. Allan is still not fully trusted nor accepted, especially by John, and Much does his best to alleviate the situation, but to little avail. Before long, both John and Allan decide to go their separate ways, alone. John to resume his mission to "give to the poor"; Allan to wheel and deal his way through life as best he can. Only Much, the ever loyal "servant", remains. However, it is not long before Allan (never able to look after his own welfare too well), is arrested in the local tavern and thrown into the dungeons to await his fate on the gallows.

That night a dark, masked figure is observed distributing food to the townsfolk and villagers beyond. Of course the people of Nottingham know it to be the Night Watchman, unaware as they are of Marian's links with the character. News of the Night Watchman's activities naturally reaches the Sheriff, who appears a little less surprised than one might have expected under the circumstances. He dispatches Guy to investigate…

At first Guy is convinced Allan has escaped and is responsible for the masquerade. But upon searching the cells (a search which results in a painful beating for Allan), Guy becomes increasingly convinced that Marian has somehow returned from the dead to plague him, and Allan witnesses the full extent of his former boss's mental breakdown before Guy flees into the night to put an end to the matter, one way or another.

Later on, the Sheriff of Nottingham visits Allan A Dale's cell. Stroking Allan's cheek, he cunningly confides that he might need a new second in command now that Gisborne's mental state is questionable, and releases Allan to "think it over". It is a win-win situation for the Sheriff. Whether Allan kills Gisborne himself, or brings Robin Hood into Nottingham to investigate the Night Watchman stories and face Gisborne, he stands to gain!

Carrying the bruises left on him by the earlier beating, Allan does the noble thing; he rejects the idea of killing Gisborne and working for the Sheriff, and goes straight to Robin Hood with news of the Night Watchman. The information of course distresses and angers Robin. Much is convinced Allan is once again lying and luring Robin into some kind of trap where the Sheriff will be waiting. But what choice does Robin have but to go?

The following night, all sides in this terrible drama are destined to clash. Whilst Robin and Much make their way to the Town, leaving Allan tied up back at camp, Gisborne's men are concealed on every street corner. They don't have to wait too long before a familiar, rather elegant looking, masked rider enters from one end of the street. Gisborne, now dictated to by his broken mental state rather than his usual military instinct, screams out "Marian!" The Night Watchman's horse rears, but when the soldiers close off all exits, escape is futile, and the masked rider slides down from "her" mount.

Guy staggers towards the Night Watchman, weeping and shouting in equal measure. He is insisting on seeing "her" scar, just as he did that time in the barn when Marian's secret identity was revealed. The Night Watchman complies, and slowly lifts the hem of her waistcoat. However, this time the scar which is revealed is not the mark left by Guy's small Saracen dagger, but the horrific and gruesome cut from his broadsword. Gisborne collapses to his knees in disbelief. Then, from behind, another voice screams out into the night: "Gisborne!" It is Robin Hood, enraged and confused by the vision before him, but hell bent on revenge! Gisborne orders his troops to stand back, and the two enemies lock swords for what they both know will be the final time.

At the peak of the fight, both men completely exhausted, Gisborne knocks the sword from Robin's hand! Defenceless, Robin looks up at Gisborne's raised blade, but still taunts him to the very end, proclaiming that even as he dies there are other outlaws poised to replace him and fight for justice in England. Dead he may well soon be, but his spirit will never be defeated. Then, just as Gisborne's blade is about to fall on Robin's neck, the unmistakeable tone of a girl's voice calls out from behind the mask of the Night Watchman as she throws him her sword! In one movement Robin catches it and, with ironic justice, plunges the Night Watchman's blade deep into Gisborne's stomach.

As Gisborne dies Much and the Night Watchman run to Robin Hood's side, prepared for a fight against the overwhelming number of soldiers. But without their leader, Gisborne's troops melt away into the night, unwilling to take on the enraged, now legendary outlaw. So Robin and Much, together with the Night Watchman, make a hasty exit and return to camp.

Once back in the safety of Sherwood Forest, a weakened Robin approaches the Night Watchman in silence, and pulls down her mask…. It is the Arab servant girl (played by Konnie Huq), who acted as a spy for the Sheriff when they were all in the Holy Lands! She confesses to Robin that she is a trained assassin, now working for the Sheriff of Nottingham with the express purpose of killing him. However, having seen the corruption in Nottingham, and heard positive tales about Robin Hood from the Townsfolk, she decided she could not go through with her mission. She does however make her loyalties to her own country, and distaste for King Richard, quite plain. It is only to assist the common people of England, who she believes do not themselves support the unpopular War, that she offers her services now to Robin Hood. Just how much Robin needs those services becomes apparent as he faints to the ground, blood coming from a wound in his side; a far more serious wound than he had hitherto disclosed.

It is the Night Watchman now who takes control. Robin Hood needs more than just rest, he needs medical attention. Much wishes Djaq was still with them, but in her absence suggests nearby Kirklees Abbey where the nuns might be able to help, and where Robin might claim a degree of sanctuary. Allan insists that just the two of them won't stand a chance if the Sheriff discovers where they are, and pleads to be allowed to go and find John. Much isn't keen to do this, believing Allan will go straight to the Sheriff. But they have little choice and, after a severe warning from the Night Watchman as to what she'll do to him if he betrays them (causing Allan to make a quip about previous warnings he's had from someone who once wore that outfit!) they set him free and depart for the Abbey carrying the weakened Robin between them.

Robin Hood is of course admitted to Kirklees Abbey, but the Sheriff's spies are everywhere in this corrupt district, and it is not long before a veritable army of his soldiers have the building surrounded. Much and Robin assume it is Allan who has betrayed them once more and led them here. For their part, the nuns of course will not give Robin up, but neither can they provide much protection beyond their prayers. So it is that the Night Watchman applies a tight field dressing to Robin's wound as the outlaw leader slips back and forth from a state of full consciousness, imagining for moments at a time it is his beloved Marian once more at his side, and both the Night Watchman and Much do little to dissuade him from his fantasy. All three now stand together to take the battle outside, in respect of the Holy nature of the Abbey's interior.

The battle is bloody, as the ninja like skills of the Night Watchman dispense with considerable numbers of the soldiers surrounding her before she and Much are themselves wounded. But it is Robin Hood who is the main target for the Sheriff's archers, and although Robin's arrows plunge deep into the hearts of all within his range, he in turn is struck by the bolts from their crossbows. Before long it would seem that all is lost, as the Sheriff gloats and barks his orders from a well placed and protected position at the rear.

Just then a cry rings out from the forest. It is John with Allan at his side, and a new band of outlaws which John has been gathering together whilst apart from the group! He calls out: "Men of Sherwood, will you tolerate this? Because I for one will not!"

As the giant of the forest now plunges forward swinging his half staff the Sheriff's men are scattered senseless in all directions. The sight of this brings renewed energies to Much and the Night Watchman as they plunge once more into the heat of the battle, whilst Allan alone notices the wounded Robin Hood slump to the ground and runs forward to stand over his former leader, defending him at all costs.

The wily Sheriff of Nottingham can see from where he remains hidden that the battle is lost and, discretion being the better part of valour, makes his escape alone, riding unobserved back to Nottingham. Having witnessed this uprising he is becoming convinced that Nottingham may not be a safe place to stay, and makes plans for a replacement to take over his badge of office whilst he moves on to operate his schemes elsewhere. Donning a suitable disguise, the Sheriff begins to pack and load his canary cages onto the back of a simple peasant cart.

Back at Kirklees the fighting has come to an end. The outlaws stand scattered amidst the malaise, bloodied but not bowed. Against Kirklees Abbey wall Robin Hood lay supported by the arms of Allan A Dale. They have this one final moment together, as Allan weeps and extends his heartfelt apologies for all he's done. Robin forgives him, they hug, but both men know this is their last conversation. As the outlaws gather round their dying leader he addresses each in turn. From John he extracts a promise to carry on his work; to "rob from the rich, and give to the poor". To the Saracen Night Watchman he makes a plea that she stay in Nottingham, to continue the good work of her predecessor, and to further her understanding of its people; an understanding which might one day facilitate peace in the Holy Lands. The last person Robin Hood calls to his side is the faithful Much who, as always, has been seated apart thinking himself forgotten.

Whilst Much holds the man he knew as "Master" in his arms, Robin Hood addresses him: "As much as any man can love another man, I have loved you." Then, through the pain and tears he asks John to pass him his bow. Supported by John and Allan alike, Robin draws back his Saracen bow and fires a last arrow towards his beloved Sherwood. His final words, almost a whisper, are once again directed towards Much: "Where that arrow falls, is where I wish my body to rest. In that way, I shall be with you all, always".

And so it is that Robin Hood, a legend in his own time, passes into folklore.

At the grave side each outlaw will have their own eulogy to express. But John's simple epitaph will be the final one: "Him we liked. But Robin Hood is not dead. For we are Robin Hood".

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This has been a fantasy post.

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54 Comments:

Blogger robin hood said...

BBC Robin Hood Cast:

Robin Hood - Jonas Armstrong
Marian - Lucy Griffiths
Guy of Gisborne - Richard Armitage
Sheriff of Nottingham - Keith Allen
Little John - Gordon Kennedy
Much - Sam Troughton
Alan A'Dale - Joe Armstrong
Will Scarlett - Harry Lloyd
Anjali Jay - Djaq

4 April 2008 at 00:28:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Robin Hood series 3. A fantasy post.

4 April 2008 at 00:29:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin - Wow! What a fantastic story you almost have me in tears in fact I am in tears that was terrific and fully believable incorporating everything in it concerning the legend that is Robin Hood. I can't say anything else about it, and its not often that I am lost for words (as my family would tell you)

4 April 2008 at 14:41:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

Well, I thought I'd just try something by way of a change. Let's face it, the Lucy issue (whilst certainly still upsetting), is getting a bit thin. And there is just NO real information getting through.

And hey, if we never get a real series 3, we can pretend that one!

4 April 2008 at 15:03:00 BST  
Anonymous kitty said...

are we allowed to input our own ideas

4 April 2008 at 22:15:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Kitty,

YES! That would be great.

Please, if anyone out there has ideas for how this programme might either resolve itself, or progress, please feel free to express them.

I've always left the comments box completely in the hands of the readers. I think everyone's enjoyed the contact and ideas here.

4 April 2008 at 23:56:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin- Just another slither of info received by me from Admin robinhood2006.com 06/04/08 at 10-14 Published by Sunday Mail Scottish news by Heather Greenaway on their entertainments page. I quote- TV's Robin Hood gang exclusivly hang out in Scottish Pub the Caledonian in Hungary. The Home and Away pub was discovered by Gordon Kennedy the 50year old said the Caledonian is one of my favourite haunts & stops me being home sick when I am in Budapest Jonas and Lucy also like coming here for the fish & chips.
Gordon loves his role but hates having to grow his character's trade mark beard for the start of the filming of the 3rd series
next month. I have had my last shave for 8 months yesterday - unquote
There is a lot more about the pub grub and the proprieters and other bits and pieces but I thought you might be interested in the other piece about the filming Its the first bit I have read about when the filming is due to start although I may well be in the miniority Hope this is of interest

6 April 2008 at 17:45:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

Very interesting. That's the first bit of information I've heard about the strat of filming.

I was comparing Kennedy's hair styles the other day, from series 1 to 2. I think in series 1 it's well dyed and trim!

A beard on Little John looks good. But I'm not convinced about the others....

6 April 2008 at 18:00:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this fantasy post is good still to sad for me though i dont want robin to go out like that as im shore most people wouldnt but everyone has their opinion some people might like him to go that way but just not me, i dont know how i want this to end really?

good story though really emotionally good

7 April 2008 at 19:41:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin -I've reread the fantasy story and still think its brill but you said any ideas of our own! so here goes- could Robin have signed a parchment at the end before he became too weak to transfer his lands to Much that would have been lovely and also could there not be a scene where an engraved plaque could be raised in Loxley church dedicated to the good works of the Lord and Lady of Loxley ? that would be good as well

7 April 2008 at 21:03:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

I like the idea of him leaving his lands to Much. Of course Much can't have them right away, - otherwise we'd have no outlaws left! But yes, it would be something for Much to fight for, AND the others, knowing they had an Estate to work on after it's all over. (Andthere would be lots of teasing abpout "Lord" Much along the way).

The Loxley Church idea is a good one to. Because yes, Marian DID get to be Lady of Loxley if only for a few brief minutes. But I'd put this idea into series 4. (Which I might want to speculate about another time).

8 April 2008 at 01:02:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Anonymous,

Sad, yes. But Robin did die in the legend. See my main Robin Hood blog for details:

http://robinhoodtree.blogspot.com/2006/07/death-of-robin-hood-robin-hoods-grave.html

It is sad, but we all know Jonas will move onto other things. Richard Greene came to Robin Hood after a career, not at the very beginning. So he could do it for years. Jonas will have other plans.

I think Jonas will be only the third Robin Hood to die on screen. (Unless some expert Hoodie out there can prove me wrong!)

8 April 2008 at 01:08:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Everybody,

I see my fantasy choice for the new Night Watchman, Konnie Huq, failed to fend off the Olympic Games protesters when she was carrying the Torch through London. but I reckon she could have if she'd really wanted to!!!

8 April 2008 at 01:11:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW!!!
This is *THE BEST* version of S3 that I have read so far!! It totally goes with the version that I've been brought up with. I never really liked the fact that Robin dies, but the way you put it made you actually believe in it. I have only just come across this blog but I will DEFINITELY be coming back!!!!!
Bye for now.

8 April 2008 at 06:02:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi anonym,ous,

Welcome. Thanks for the kind words, and why not use the little e-mail symbol to mail this blog to everyone you know who's into Robin Hood?

8 April 2008 at 10:23:00 BST  
Blogger Clement of the Glen said...

Hi Robin, if you ever get bored I’m sure the BBC could find you work writing for the next Robin Hood series. There were some excellent ideas in that post!
I am spending perhaps too much time on my own Robin Hood Blog at the moment, but I couldn’t resist having a quick go at some ideas for the first episode of the next series myself.

Here goes:
Through the heavy mist in Sherwood Forest two riders are spotted by the outlaws riding along the Great North Road. One of the riders is a rotund priest, who attempts valiantly to stop the ambush, but is eventually overpowered by Robin’s men.

“You dare harm a hair of Lady Fitzwalter’s head and her father will have you all hung, drawn and quartered.” He squeals as Little John bundles him to the floor.

The outlaws soon realize that the other rider is a very wealthy lady indeed.

She explains angrily to the outlaws in that she is to attend a service in Nottingham dedicated to her late step-sister, Lady Marian. Robin is astonished to glimpse the arms of Fitzwalter engraved on the ring on her finger. He immediately kneels and offers protection by his men for the rest of the journey. But she is annoyed by this and explains that as the daughter of Lord Robert Fitzwalter of Huntingdon she will not need the protection of a gang of outlaws.

“I fought alongside your father in the Holy Land,” Robin tells her. “And he would be enraged at how this kingdom has been brought to its knees by the corruption of Prince John and his lords. This land is not safe; we need your father back home.”

“My father is well aware of John’s attempts at Richard’s throne,” she says looking into his eyes with a smile, but I intend to send my priest, Father Tuck back to the Holy Land with a list of Prince John’s conspirators just as soon as I have paid my respects to my late step-sister in Nottingham.

“You would have been proud of your sister”, Robin said with a tear in his eye.

“Her work is not finished,” said Matilda Fitzwalter reaching out to Robin’s hand. “And neither is yours.”

Her smile was almost familiar and as she rode off through the forest followed by her priest desperately trying to re-mount his horse.

10 April 2008 at 17:20:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Clement,

Very nice indeed, and perhaps not surprisingly, coming as it does from yourself, a nice "traditional" touch in both the irritation of Lady Fitzwalter, and the comic image of Tuck and his horse.

I believe we will see a Tuck if the series does indeed continue beyond Jonas, if not before. Maybe a good way to test him out, and introduce him, would be as a guest appearance first. I still love the idea one reader had for it to be Dawn French. She'd be perfect. But hard to reconcile the wrong sex for that era!

10 April 2008 at 18:53:00 BST  
Anonymous Annie said...

Hi, Robin,

This post belongs more properly in the Gisborne character study, but since we've done with that, I'm posting here. It's prompted by information from the series 2 DVD that various folks have posted at the armitage army site and jonasarmstrong.net. (I hope this doesn't fall into "spoiler" territory; if so, apologies in advance.)

In any event, in the two mini-documentaries about Edward and Marian on the DVD, the primary focus seems to be on the relationship between Gisborne and Marian (or even Gisborne and Edward) rather than Robin and Marian. As is natural, fans of Jonas are up in arms and wonder why he's barely a presence on the DVD. I assume less sinister motives than other fans--I imagine it's because Jonas was busy filming Book of Blood while the DVD was being made.

In any event, what's interesting to me is that the producers and writers really do seem much more intrigued with the Marian and Gisborne "relationship"; they barely mention Robin and Marian. Foz Allen or Dominic Minghella (I forget which one) even go so far as to say at one point that the M&G relationship was destined to end tragically. Huh? To my mind, it's more evidence, if we needed any, that the creators' approach to writing Robin Hood was stream-of-consciousness rather than involvement with the RH legend. As if RH were a soap opera, they focused on the relationship that seemed more interesting to them at the moment, even if it contradicted what we already knew about the characters. The poor actors were left to invent motives that fit whatthe writers thought they were putting on paper rather than the actual scripts. Richard Armitage says on the DVD that his interpretation of Gisborne's actions was that Gisborne did not mean to stab Marian. Rather, he went to grab her by the shoulders, and, oops, he forgot he was carrying his broadsword. I've only watched the clip on YouTube, but it didn't look accidental to me. RA's interpretation was perhaps driven by his need to make some sense of Gisborne's actions given that the writers were by this stage thinking of M&G as an 11th century version of Antony and Cleopatra. As you and others have said many times, many of us were watching a different series about two young lovers committed to justice. Not only were we not thinking of a potentially tragic ending for M&G but we were heartily bored with the storyline.

I liked what someone said in the Gisborne post about the way the writers lapse into "slash" writing, a tendency that led to whimsical character developments.

It was comforting to read your fantasy post and Clement's follow-up, even if I still want my traditional happy ending with R&M married by Tuck in Sherwood.

10 April 2008 at 21:12:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Annie,

Thankyou so much for that.

As you so accurately say: Robin Hood was scripted as if it "were a soap opera; they focused on the relationship that seemed more interesting to them at the moment, even if it contradicted what we already knew about the characters".

Which is why it fails ultimately to be a classic telling of the legend. Whereas "Robin of Sherwood" lives on, this (I'm afraid), seems doomed to a "current but soo to fade" status. Such a shame. And I agree with the anger expressed by the Jonas fans.

PS: Yes the accident with his sword bit is total rubbish. Sounds like a bit of p.r. to me.

10 April 2008 at 21:57:00 BST  
Anonymous Annie said...

Hi, Robin,

Just to clarify, I'm also angry that Jonas is barely mentioned by Minghella and Allen, who focus almost exclusively on R&G. I meant to say that Jonas's lack of participation in the documentaries and commentaries was probably due to his being unavailable.

Robin of Sherwood indeed remains the enduring classic. Though terribly sad, Robin's death had meaning. I thought Michael Praed and Judi Trott were wonderful in that scene and the others they had together. I love Lucy Griffiths, and I look forward to seeing her in other roles, but Judi Trott is still my favorite Marian. Though she doesn't possess superpowers, she is feisty, lovely, and strong. I love that one scene where she takes on the gang because Robin doesn't want her to accompany them on a mission--"she's as bad as Gisborne," you hear Robin muttering in the background. Who says a happy relationship can't be interesting? (Well, I think it was Tolstoy, but what did he know? He never had one!)

10 April 2008 at 22:18:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin- Gosh aren't things getting confusing? I am not suprised that the DVD won't be available over here for ages if that is the rubbish that is being peddled on it AGAIN about Marian & Guy if that storyline meant SO MUCH to the writers why on earth did they kill her off?. (or make sure that they had retained Lucy's services for S3)

I should think that Jonas himself must be pretty fed up with the whole thing being asked to appear as one of England's great legends and then having to change his complete storyline just on a whim of the writers,(I wonder how Richard Greene would have dealt with it!) its almost like saying to him at the start "Hey Jonas you get to play Robin but you won't end up with Marian" .

I agree whole heartedly with Annie about your super Fantasy post I liked Clement,s as well but my only slight quibble with that was that the lady Fitzwalter has never been mentioned before (Marian,s name in Richard Greene,s version was Fitzwalter wasn't it?) although it could possibly work, but yours was super I think you should write for the BBC as the story line is brilliant if of course you have nothing else to do I would have liked my happy ending as well but you would most certainly do a better job of it then the writers have done so far - Do you know if anyone reads your Site from the Beeb they must be aware of the ill feeling all this has caused?

10 April 2008 at 23:02:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

I'm not going to pretend I have proof that the BBC read this blog. But the fact that BBC Radio Nottingham invited me in for an interview near the start of Series 1, together with various other asides expressed by the BBC about "the blogs", leads me to think they drop by. Certainly any Google search they ran would get them here.

If they do I imagine they can only be pleased at the free publicity and support; but of course people like you, I, Annie, etc., will reserve our right to criticise as and when.

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You're right that Lady Fitzwalter was her name in the Richard greene version, and the Errol Flynn one before that, and even the "New Adventures of Robin Hood".

I think what Clement is doing is bringing in the familiar elements; it does give it an air of authenticity, and helps sell any "new" ideas to the hard core Hoodies.

For similar reasons, if there is a 4th series I'd like Little John to meet and fight Friar Tuck on the bridge. It exploits the links.

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One more thought about Jonas, in case anyone thinks I've been inconsistent in my appraisals: I think Jonas was (is) tremendous, and a measure of that was how he carried that role in spite of the writer's obvious leanings towards Guy, even though that latter role was so poorly scripted for Richard Armitage.

11 April 2008 at 00:24:00 BST  
Anonymous kitty said...

I imagine one of the researcher read this blog as they would any other pertinent blog .

R.A like K.A is a downy bird ,he has been around through work thick and thin and i detect more than a a little back peddling going on.

Having just watched the d.v.d i am quite convinced the death of Marian saga will become a Robin dream brought on by the desert

11 April 2008 at 19:54:00 BST  
Anonymous kitty said...

Lucy in Budapest to film RH series 3
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I just read a news article that states Lucy is currently in Budapest with the rest of the RH crew.

http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/tv-showbiz-news/entertainment-news/2008/04/06/tv-s-robin-hood-crew-hang-out-in-scots-pub-78057-203

Re: Lucy in Budapest to film RH series 3

11 April 2008 at 20:03:00 BST  
Anonymous Annie said...

Hi, Kitty,

I saw that same article, but I had the impression Kennedy was talking about where the cast hang out when they're in Budapest--not that they're actually there now. That Kennedy just stopped shaving suggested to me that he needs to get his beard back by the time filming begins in May.

I've only read bits of the transcripts from the series 2 DVD. I'd love to hear more about why you're convinced that Marian will be back.

11 April 2008 at 20:35:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Kitty

Thanks, as always. The link appears to have expired now, but I'm guessing it was the same as the one Annie referred to?

Personally, I think bringing her back would be ridiculous. Although I have to admit, the series without her looks like a none starter...

I'm really looking forward to seeing R Armitage in "Spooks"! (I love that show, and he's exactly right for it!)

11 April 2008 at 21:17:00 BST  
Anonymous kitty said...

Bottom line too much money involved . Whether accepted or not the G/M brought them in . That dynamic got people watching that realistically wouldn`t have been viewers .I can suggest a storyline but i am not brave enough in this blog . Any opinions on the Fixer?

11 April 2008 at 21:21:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

The Fixer is simply T.V. heaven!!!!

My current favourite! I have to confess, I don't watch a lot of TV. I can't tolerate ANY of the soaps.

I'm into BB (sad I know), and stuff like Fixer, Spooks, Sopranos.

How about everyone else? What do we like out there?

11 April 2008 at 21:30:00 BST  
Anonymous kitty said...

I like Sopranos, Fixer, Poirot,DR who,Spooks anything with Alan Rickman in it. Silent witness ,R.H
hate Big Brother ,reality nonsense and soaps-that`s it

11 April 2008 at 21:39:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin -
I hate Reality TV like Big Brother but confess I do peep occasionly at I'm a celebrity (Sad I know as my sons inform me that they are only over the bridge!!)which of course is true.

I love Drama's,Foyle's War, Spooks, Poirot, Morse(I loved John Thaw) Dr.Who, Coast and anything with David Attenborough in it.
Loved RH soft spot for Jonas he is exactly the same age to the day as one of my sons

I loathe Daytime TV. thats about it

11 April 2008 at 22:22:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Annie,
Just noticed your answer to Kitty about Gordon Kennedy in Budapest. I had read the same Article and he was only talking about where they all hang out not that they are there now.

He said that he had just stopped shaving prior to filming starting in May

11 April 2008 at 22:33:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ha i dont understand why people think that if lucy were to come back it would be ridiculas, when every one wants her back anyway and they dont care how its done surely if people feel so strongly about it and are dedicated fans {dont mean to affend}then they wouldnt care.
this show is fun not to be taken to seriously its a fairytale of sorts things can change it doesnt have to be realistic, people wouldnt give a damn i know i wouldnt.

11 April 2008 at 23:43:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

No offence taken. This blog is for people to express their own opinion. Welcome.

If you've read my previous posts you'll know I'm a huge Lucy fan.

But two points in answer to your comment:

1. The show hasn't been played out as a fairytale fantasy. I agree it's had a lot of humour, but it has studiously avoided the kind of magic and fantasy that is present in (for example) the New Adventures of Robin Hood, or Xena, where anything can and does happen. How would you feel if they did a musical episode of Robin Hood one week? And Lucy's death was anything but a fairytale.

2. When actors have returned from the dead in the past (from Eastenders to Dallas to "whatever"), it's always had a detrimental effect on that actor's career. They kind of become associated with it and become an object of fun. Lucy Griffiths is too good for such a fate.

But, I've now come to suspect she will be back.... and I suspect she's being paid a good retainer right now to lay low and keep quiet.....

12 April 2008 at 01:59:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin-
I do wonder if in fact you are correct and that Lucy has been sighed for S3 and that the BBC are chuckling to themselves listening to all the bad vibes that have been going around about them and her.

I still can't think how they will do it A dream seems silly and I can't buy the Sister/Cousin part as one was never mentioned before in fact although the Robin/Marian back story was dealt with, no other family was ever mentioned not even at her wedding ( Marian had no friend or confidante)

It will have to be a ghost then not too keen on Ghosts on a regular basis

I have also read a couple of pieces in differant TV mags about Merlin in both of them it seemed to be certain that it will go out in 13 episodes in the coveted Saturday evening spot of 7pm so if that is indeed the case apart from waiting until the New Year what other suitable time or day could RH air do you think?

12 April 2008 at 18:14:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i dont think she will be a ghost i know alot of people wont like that and it would be even more stupid than the dream sequence which is to me the best solution they have have most people like that idea its suprising really.
i think scenario makes sense and connects the end of the series to the start of the new series.
i dont know what it is but with lack of info at the present time and taking into account the past info things are still fishy i think she will be BACK!!
in a surprising way {not a ghost}
who here agrees with me something is still going on? lucy news still quiet?

12 April 2008 at 18:29:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

I fear the silly "ghost / guiding spirit" concept. Far too "Xena" for me I'm afraid. But (being cynical for a moment), a ghost certainly presents no pre-watershed problems where romance is concerned!

And I can only think that Lucy's total lack of self promotion means she's under contract, and therefore laying low and quiet.

You're right in saying we never knew anything about her past, so they really could bring anything or anyone into the story.

That Saturday spot is indeed coveted. I think Robin Hood would suffer if moved, although Torchwood has been running in slightly edited form in a 7.00 slot in the week.

But I do think that if the BBC learn from the "mistakes" made in Robin Hood, it could actually replace it altogether, and run longer. For example, there's no reason a magician like Merlin can't change actors now and then? After all, he is magic… In that way Doctor Who and Merlin could rotate for a long, long time.

12 April 2008 at 18:33:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anonymous,

Well, as I just said, yes I think you're probably right about "a return". Lucy being under contract is the only logical reason for her staying out of the lime light right now, when she really should be building on her international success.

But we do know one thing from the cast: Richard Armitage has said several times that Guy did kill Marian. Firstly he said he questioned the writers about the wisdom of that. And secondly, he's been suggesting it was kind of an accident. But he's always used the phrase that yes, he did kill her.

12 April 2008 at 18:40:00 BST  
Anonymous kitty said...

Dead easy he killed her in Robin`s dreams . Think about it another way instead of thinking about dreams as a vechile to right a potential financial mess ( lets be honest it is not about the programme ) it is to the b.b.c figures , revenue and too Tiger A
spect -staying ahead of the game .
Instead consider reasonable films dramas where a trauma of some descripton or other was actually in the plot and no-one cared because we went along with that script .
Lets think Robin stuck in the desert has a trauma imagining Guy killing his partner ,would we know any different ,if so how ?
I don`t see it as just a Marian issue I see her death as moving R.H into soap land.
Okay you can all scream abuse at me -marry her to guy keep him reasonable for two episodes . She grows up through the experienceGuy cannot stop being fundamentally bad .Robin has another relationship , lots of jealousy spitting etc , Saving England would help a bit -bring In King John make him bad if they must.
Frair tuck we really need a link to the churches and to a conscience . Move the charcters on make them darker and send a Marian back to robin .
Even if Lucy was coming back she could still list other work (please oh Please
it is a drama that

12 April 2008 at 20:18:00 BST  
Anonymous kitty said...

Sorry about the l, I am trying to do something i do not possess thetechnical expertise for .
Question ?
Would you watch R.H without the Marian character?
Personally i couldn`t be bothered as what would happen they are making R.H kiddies t,v without that type of presence

12 April 2008 at 20:25:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

I for one can't believe in Robin without Marian If he did dream the whole affair when was it from? The whole of episodes 12/13? and I am one of the few people I think the only one ( I have mentioned this before on this site ) who doesn't believe in the Guy/Marian scenario it would never work for another series.

We have no Idea either what the writers are concocting up and neither will the actors until they start filming in May. Maybe Just Maybe when Richard turns up for work in his leathers they may say to him "Hey Man guess what you never killed Marian at all it was a figment of your Imagination" maybe he was the one with the dream! Who knows where it is going if anywhere and we might very well have to wait until 2009!!

I would very much like Prince John to make an appearance and also Friar Tuck I half expected to see him in the Holy Land as King Richard's Mentor and what about Will!!

How is he getting on with his new life Does he get on with his in laws? Does the Heat Sun & Sand of the Holy Land compere with the Wind, Rain and Cold of England, Is he homesick for the Forest? How does he manage with all those BLINKING BIRDS?

All these questions and more keep me awake at night HA !HA! and need an answer soon

12 April 2008 at 21:42:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Evielynn,

Just a quick one:

I never believed in the "Guy / Marian scenario" as a romance from the start, and said so here:

http://newrobin.blogspot.com/2007/01/robin-hood-spotlight-on-cast-3-guy-of.html

It always seemed an odd mixture of abuse, manipulation, and bullying to me. If memory serves me well, quite a few of even the loyal "Armitage Army" agreed with some of my points about his script. But it's a while since I read that comments box.

With regard to "Our 'arry", it's all gone quiet here about "the fit one". But he certainly was another casualty of series 2.

12 April 2008 at 21:58:00 BST  
Anonymous Annie said...

Hi, All,

Fun and intriguing discussion. I have one more bit of Richard Armitage info that showed up on the Armitage Army site (not a member, though I do like RA very much--I'm just Robin Hood obsessed). At any rate, Richard occasionally sends messages to his fan sites. His most recent one was amusingly written as a telegram:

'THE BIRD HAS FLOWN.STOP.NORTH TILL THE AUTUMN.STOP.WILL MAKE CONTACT WHEN BIG BAD CONTROL LIFTS THE GAG.STOP.METAPHORICAL NOT LITERAL.STOP.TIME IS SHORT LIKE THE BARNETT.STOP.FORGIVE ME. UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN DON'T STOP.STOP RA

Big Bad Control is obviously the BBC, but who do we think "the bird" is? Richard being playful or the "Marian bird" referenced by Will in "Lardner's Ring"? And the "metaphorical" gag--is it the kind that prevents speech or the kind that's played on others? Am I being clever or just engaging in the deranged fantasies of the obsessed fan?

Can't make anything of Barnett. Is this a Britishism?

Robin, I am beginning to think you're right and Lucy will return. I have mixed emotions about it, except that I really do love the Robin and Marian romance. I've read a lot of reviews, by professionals and fans, who think Jonas and Lucy had no chemistry, but I disagree. I thought they were adorable together. I always liked the way Jonas's Robin, always so confident and cheeky, would sometimes appear insecure and very young around Marian. They both played these moments beautifully. I thought they were very sweet together.
Evielyn, I also never cared for the Guy/Marian "relationship."

Curiouser and curiouser.

13 April 2008 at 00:33:00 BST  
Anonymous firefly said...

Barnett means 'hair-do' so i'm huess RA is saying that he has short hari (probably from being in spooks)

13 April 2008 at 10:14:00 BST  
Anonymous firefly said...

i think if she wil return a good opportunity would be while they were in the desert...basically robin goes slightly mad from the heat and dreams it up...although it is still very unbelievable

13 April 2008 at 10:19:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi All-
So pleased Annie to find someone the same as me I loved the Robin/ Marian love affair he was always so vunerable and shy around her which was lovely - I know its old ground but I am certain that in Tattoo?What Tattoo? in S1 a lot of his problems were with his raging jealousy over Guy with Marian as well as the King Richard storyline-

If people think there was no chemistry between them its because the Guy/ Marian storyline was pushed down their throats ( I for one can't think why) like you I thought that they were adorable together.

Any awkwardness was brought about because of the fact that Gisborne had (as he said) taken his life which he had! his lands , his title and eventualy even his wife so he was bound to appear awkward he had nothing only his love to give to her.

13 April 2008 at 12:57:00 BST  
Anonymous kitty said...

You are all purists and decent. I understood what they were trying to achieve with the guy/marian thing, .i don`t think it worked because he wasn`t sleezy enough , maybe it would have worked outwith the watershed-who knows. But it isn`t in the hands of the writers ,B.B.C commisioning editor .How much is she prepared to spend for what returns . Pure stats now .
i was not a fan of robin and marian .But could have been if they were allowed to grow up
Barnett formula?

13 April 2008 at 14:14:00 BST  
Anonymous Carrots said...

Hey this story is great my mum found it and she thought it was fantastic!

How could you think of all that it is soooooooooooooooooo good!

1 June 2008 at 10:23:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Thanks Carrots,

I just tried to bring bits of the legend together, like Kirklees Abbey, and Robin's last arrow, but give them a new twist in keeping with the current programme, such as the Night Watchman and Much.

I'm glad you and your mum liked it.

I only hope series 3 can recover from the shock and disappointment of Marian's murder.

1 June 2008 at 12:44:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Robin,
I loooooooove the show and after watching the series 2 finale am dying to know what happens next. After reading this possible wind-up, i'm still crying. It was a beautiful way to end Robin Hood, but i, personally, do not want to see him die in the end. I love him too much. But, i did like your ending a lot. Do you have any other possible series 3 stories in mind? I really think he should make it through.
Gwyn

5 June 2008 at 01:16:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Gwyn,

I agree a happy ending (if that's possible now), would be nice. But we all know Robin hood died at Kirklees Abbey, even though the jury is still out on whether it was deliberate murder by the Prioress, or simply bad medical practise:

http://robinhoodtree.blogspot.com/2006/07/death-of-robin-hood-robin-hoods-grave.html

5 June 2008 at 01:33:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya, that's a good point, but he doesn't have to die yet. He could last out a season or two :). I did read somewhere that in series 3, he does have a new love interest but it wouldn't come anywhere close to replacing Marian. I just don't want to see him all depressed and hopeless. That will ruin the show. Do you have any other ideas or news of season 3. I'm not incredibly patient and am itching to know what might happen.
Gwyn

5 June 2008 at 21:31:00 BST  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Gwyn,

I only wish there was some reliable news to hand on to everybody. That's why I did the "rumours" post, to try and sort out what came from reliable sources and what didn't. Most stories doing the rounds on the forums and YouTube sites were more or less made up.

I thnk one of the poblems with series 2 was that Robin became less and less of a heroic character, and more and more of a loser. As you put it, "depressed". So I'm just hoping that is put to rights. New writers were needed, and new writers is what we have.

6 June 2008 at 18:35:00 BST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robin,

Haven't you ever watched Titanic?
Before Jack dies he tells Rose that she has to go on, and he made her promise. Shouldn't Robin still find the courage to go on without Marian?

25 June 2008 at 00:12:00 BST  
Blogger evielyn said...

I hope he does find that he is able to. I do hope that it is written into his new storylines!

Lets face it he has to!! As long as he kills Guy I will be quite happy with a sensible plot.

As he has lost Marian (In a ridiculous ending to the last series) He has to move on as we have to

As it appears that he is killing the Sherifff hopefully we will all get what we want with the whole scenario moving upwards and onwards a pace.

Sadly because of the final scenes the story will never be as we know it so the only way is up!!-- or heaven forbid down but I must think positively!!

26 June 2008 at 19:06:00 BST  

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